I'm not sure about this.. but when they do the NHRA races or whatever for FWD cars.. do they have to say.. "ok, all the t04 turbo lancers race, and then all the t25 turbo lancers race, and then all the t28 turbo lancers race.." Or is a turbo lancer just a turbo lancer?? I see the cars race all the time on tv and I'm sure that they don't say.. "omg I lost because I was running 1lb less boost than you.. its not fair, your turbo was 2mm bigger.." lol.

 

+1

I have witnessed a t-25 TSi at 9psi pull a T-28 RRM at 7psi. I gaurantee they are dead even with the T-28 overtaking the t-25 over a longer distance. If it comes out that the "custom" was a t-25 or a t-28 then credit is due to RRM and the driver. If the "custom" is anything else then this thread is worthless.

 

couldnt disagree more, there are too many what-ifs to make assumptions.

What if he was only running 4-5 psi?

What if the car was untuned?

What if he was running bad gas?

What if each were using different tires/wheels?

Until someone answers this its an apples to oranges comparison.

 

hmm, very good point. another problem no one has brought up is price

we all can assume stage2 is like 5 grandish, perhaps mark paid less cause he got it used. how much was the custom kit though? even if its less powerful, if its half as much, they why not?

 

^---OZlancerlunitic.. I know what you mean. But what I'm saying when you agree to race someone and you tell them you have a turbo, and the other guy has a turbo, they don't know what each other have. Assuming both might be bragging a little bit, it should be a fair race. It is that persons fault for bragging if they only have 4-5psi.

 

OK, normally I wouldn't get involved, but I'm a mod now. So here we go.

I expect to see no more childish arguing following this post, please.

Yes, it is apples to oranges. Yes, Marc's RRM kit was way better than the other guy's custom kit. But that does not by any means make RRM's kits better than every other car out there. As one member pointed out, Omar seems to be doing fine...

And as mentioned, you can't have fair races. You don't line up similarly matched cars. One person says "I can beat anyone here!" Sometimes that person is right, sometimes there's a faster car in the crowd.

So let's be adults about this, please. Thanks.

 

but they don't compare pricing at the races either... some NHRA guys are budgeted to a certain $$ amount each race... other's are not, yet they still remain very very competitive. The time you take to set up the kit and develope it is key here.

This guy was a mad talker and was pushing Mark to race. He told Mark he'd kill him at a race... thus he mustof thought he had his stuff together. Hell he even left the MOD event and came back just to challenge Mark. Mark took him up on the offer and handled it!

I've worked on many custom kits for the lancer... some TSI's, some totally custom, and some modified RRM kits. I've seen a few that were much faster than the RRM kit but in the end they spent the cash to get it there. I was a big influence to Omarboy25 with his setup... we talked on the phone a lot to get him going in the right direction. Look at him now... he's bigtime! I've taken Mark under my wing as well since he's local and very cool guy. He will be faster than most for less do to this.

In the end a custom kit or modified TSI/RRM/etc kit stands on the same playing field as any other when you use it to challenge another car. A race is a race... if you said you can beat the car and get proven wrong then it's all good no matter what your running. A 3-4 car length lead is huge!! That custom guy should have never bragged/challenged Mark and i'm glad Mark showed him why.

You should see the help RRM has been giving to a lot of TSI kit owners... by the way the TSI states it comes with a T-25 but it's not a true Garret T-25... its an ALLIED Signal China knockoff. Another reasone the price is so cheap. You get what you pay for in the end.

 

from what i saw, it looked like he had larger injectors and a push-through MAS setup. he was also running the stock MAS unlike a stage 2. didn't ask about engine management but figured it would be something like a safc at this point. that would definately limit the amount of boost he can run against a kit with a fmu. he had a non-ball bearing factory t-28. no filter like people saw. he said that the guy at the shop was gonna reroute his AC lines so he can finish the intake piping from the turbo??? dunno bout his exhaust setup or how much boost he was running. i wasn't all that interested cuz his setup wasn't completed yet. at the stage his turbo setup was at, it really was no match for a rrm stage 2. but looking at the piping and work done so far, he definately didn't spend as much money.

 

I mean really where are the vids? I wanna see that man!!!! I was gonna get that RRM joint until my wife told me she was pregnant and my dreams of a track/show car went out the window and back to yellow(and blue) BABY TAXI!!!! I'd like to know what could have been though!

 

they guy was running a t-28; he had talked to me before when he had the setup made, he basically tried to replicate our setup and said he can put down as much power as the stage 2 guy... doode ... would u trust people who think Sport Compact Pro sponsorships are real? cuz he said he was sponsored by them.

 

ohhhhhhh, so thats the guy....

 

yah doode... he was running his mouth and ****, he was talking so much bull how he was doing so much to his car, that he can be faster then stage 2, he said he ran close to 13's at LACR in palmdale. n den cried about how his car didn't spool like marcs did, but aren't autos always spooling... he just makes me mad... all talk no walk

 

Hell naw! As soon as they said that I had to enter races and that I had to buy stuff from people on theri list I said forget that crap. You guys aren't on the list so that is probably why he had to build a crap set up like he has! I was gonna try it that way and get a turbo from you guys, but with you not on the list it was point less! I mean it's fine if that is the case, but they got $70 bucks out of me! Atleast it was tax deductible! He should not have been talking crap in the first place though! That's like saying hey I can beat your EVO down this hill on my Huffy!!! LOL You should always remember to talk crap after you have backed it up in those type of situations! Hurry and post up that vid or post up a link or something! Well i'll catch y'all later! PEACE!!!!!


Ben

 

Yes auto's spool a lot faster than a manuel and when they shift they don not drop out of boost either like a manuel does. GURU-Del's stage 2 auto seemed faster than my car did at times.

In the end a lot have tried to copy the RRM setup or make it better and end up failing horribly. This is just another one of those cases.

 

I recorded the race and the only good thing about the AT turbo was, his spool was LOUD, really it spooled LOUD and drowned out his exhaust, that's how LOUD it was. Still marc did rape him, .

Rigo has the video, since I recorded it with his camera... ill see if he can upload it or send it to me to upload.