Why not? They are the same class of vehicle. It is just that Mitsubishis N/A engines aven't recevied the aftermarket attention. There is nothing impressive about a Civic LX, VP, or DX. Their little SOHC 1.5/1.6L engines barely make over 100hp and no amount of bolt ons makes them powerful. A turbo might give you 170whp. They are about the same weight as a Lancer, unless you are talking about the older ones from the late 80's and early 90's.

The Si versions of late have more *****, and now we've got the RA. But still, there's far more aftermarket support for the B16A, but at least there is something you can do to the 4G69. The later versions don't have the double wishbone suspension anymore and they have to pass safety regs like everybody else, so the cars aren't superlightweight. Plus a Civic LX runs about 18 grand, so they aren't cheap anymore either.

 

I'm not gonna go to edmunds.com and dig up a bunch of numbers to compare all the Civic models to the Lancer....
but I will add to what you said about aftermarket and it's something that's been said since I joined- there won't be an aftermarket because people don't support it. At least that's been the case and may be changing as Lancers hit the used car lots. For example- people complained for a long time that we didn't have any piston options for NA applications. Buschur AND RRM both stepped up and produced sets of pistons and rings (different CR and different pricing- between the two of them you really did have options). They each practically had to BEG people to buy them.

I would have added aftermarket to my list of Lancer weaknesses, but I know it's because the aftermarket historically hasn't been supported... so I go back to DJs post- it's US. We're the main weakness in the Lancer. We buy it, don't like it and then won't support people who try to make it better.

Damn, DJ had it right all along

 

I've been thinking about the weight situation of the Lancer for a while now. What are the heaviest and useless things we've got in there that could be taken out without going all out and crazy? Some will say back seat, but back seat only weights what? 15pounds at the most.

 

spare tire and tools- take 'em out at the track. The front harmonic damper things on the bumper are like 15# a piece. The trunk liner- sides and the spare cover- is pretty heavy, too (but it'll make every squeak and bump at the rear end sound really loud). That's about all I'm able to take out without moving into another class with my club.
Carpet and sound damping tar stuff will remove prob 30#. Lighter rims help a lot, too.

 

strip the trunk, you'll feela difference.

 

I think the problem with people buying mods that say buschur and rrm come up with is most ownders are young. young with not a lot of money and paying quite a bit for the car. Like was said. once they start hitting used car lots I think aftermarket may pick up a bit because the owners will have some extra cash to mod more.

To decrease weight Im changing stuff to carbon fiber (hood/trunk/grill/wing)(wing replaces oz so I dont lose much). Expensive way to lose weight but I get the looks and "a tiny incy bit" of handling performance. Rip out that AC if you live in a colder weather state.

 

Nice generalization, thank you. (sometimes the way we are treated is a reflection of the way we expect to be treated)

Anyway I think the reason the aftermarket isn't there, and isn't supported by Lancer owners, is that they either can't afford all of that, or once they do, they move up to another car. (typically Evo) With Honda, the Civic is the hot shizzle in their lineup. Sure they could move up to a S2000, but they're not practical like the Civic/Lancer/Evo is, and don't really go much faster (straight line) than a mildly pimped Civic. So the Honda fanbois with money, just drop some serious cash on the Civ, and that keeps the aftermarket scene thriving.

Just my thoughts, I'll go back to being a cocky bastard now.

 

*does a little dance*

I may not have the most technical knowledge, but I learned a lot of **** in the 2.5 years I had a Lancer.

Now I'm just learning difference stuff with Subarus. Fun things like "yes, the rear is lower when you put on springs" and "screw all that, get a RSB first".

I feel old. I have all this knowledge that I try to drop on people and it gets ignored. Sometimes I just want to make my post and close the thread because I feel like I know it all on that subject.

 

I tell u some of the heaviest parts
Battery switch to a lighter one
Strip the Trunk
and get lighter seats
Lights Rims

U got it

i mean whats the fastest u guys have gone from 0 to 60? stock? someone has to test this i mean in every thread i go in no one says how fast they go i know the numbers are enbarassing but this is what were talking about why is it so slow?

PS - you don't need to make 3 posts. There's an edit key... -Blacksheepdj

 

lol sorry

 

I know this is slightly off topic, and in response to a fairly old post, but it is never too late to try to educate.



Actually, it just so happens that in the automotive industry, as defined by SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers)... the classification of a car is not decided by the number of doors, but by other factors.

A sedan, is actually a car that has a full B-pillar and full frame doors. It has a fixed, closed roof and a front and rear seat... nothing is said about the number of doors.

Which explains your statement about the Mirage 2 and 4 door ES...

And as far as the meaning of ES... you will probably find that the root of this acronym is actually from the Chrysler Executive Sedan... ES being taken and applied to other vehicles that would fit the classification. Over time evolving into (as another member said) Economy Sedan.

The S could mean a number of things though... Special, Standard, or Spec are common uses in the automotive labelling world...

And just for the record... Economy Sport... is a bit of an oxymoron... a contradiction if you will... or maybe to put in simple terms two words that really don't make sense together.

The most fitting meaning of ES (in the case of the Talon ES and Mirage ES having the same meaning) would be Economy Spec... which just means that is is nothing special, base model... of course we already knew that ES was a base model.

 

i think another weakness could be the stock headers ,i know that wen i took off the stcok header heat shield , i noticed incredible temperatures of heat coming off the engine the stock headers choke the breathing system of the lancer, wen i changed them to RRM headers i noticed no heat and much better top end

 

the intake side of the lancer head is incredibly restrictive....maybe that's a weak link.

 

actually DE is the base model for us.

 

Maybe for a while but then they changed it for the 4 doors. From 2000+ It was DE Coupe base (1.5l), and LS Coupe (1.8L)

They dropped the DE Sedan and made the ES Sedan the base and LS Sedan the top model. All Sedans got the 1.8L.