My Lancer truths
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From: las vegas
Originally Posted by Blacksheepdj
Just browsing the forums as usual, and it occurs to me how I see the same stuff over and over. And I know the answers, because I've read it all before. So I figured I'd post. Feel free to add your own. Maybe if this gets big, we'll sticky it or something.
Background - I've been around imports for since 2003. I had my Lancer for over two years, and did a lot of modding - engine, suspension, planned (and scrapped) turbo kit, body graphics, the works. I've done a lot of reading on forums, and I like to think I know more than the average n00b that I started out as.
Power
- N/A, you won't make too much power. Just accept that. You can make the car better than stock, but if you get every mod, you're still only going to add 30 hp or so.
- If you want big power, get a turbo. Sorry, there's no other way.
- Nitrous will not work. Our pistons are too weak.
- Things like the crank pulley, new plug wires and a grounding kit won't make a (very) noticeable difference. They're little things you add to improve your car bit by bit. So don't say those Magnacor wires (that you paid way too much for, since NGK are 1/4 the price) made the car run sooooo much better.
- There are two exhaust sizes that matter - 2.25 inches for N/A and "anything bigger than that" for turbo.
- Cold air intake, SRI. I've had them both, and there ain't much difference. So stop trying to preach about your favorite. It's like 2 whp anyhow.
Brakes
- You don't need a big brake kit. Got it? If you had to ask, you don't need it. BBKs don't make you stop faster or harder. BBKs actually take more room to stop than the stock setup in most tests. People get BBKs because they don't overheat when they're racing. You don't even warm your brake pads drifting that corner to Giant Eagle, hotshot.
- You don't need better rear brakes! The rear brakes do like 20% of the stopping. Why improve them? Why waste the money?
Suspension
- The Lancer handles OK from the factory. The ride is a little plush and not very race-ish. But you CAN fix that. Believe me, I had every available mod.
- Springs are a horrible idea. They'll destroy your struts and make your car bumpy. Yeah, they'll improve handling, but that's only for the few months your struts survive.
- There's no good option for aftermarket struts. Deal with it. COILOVERS.
That's all for now. More later.
Background - I've been around imports for since 2003. I had my Lancer for over two years, and did a lot of modding - engine, suspension, planned (and scrapped) turbo kit, body graphics, the works. I've done a lot of reading on forums, and I like to think I know more than the average n00b that I started out as.
Power
- N/A, you won't make too much power. Just accept that. You can make the car better than stock, but if you get every mod, you're still only going to add 30 hp or so.
- If you want big power, get a turbo. Sorry, there's no other way.
- Nitrous will not work. Our pistons are too weak.
- Things like the crank pulley, new plug wires and a grounding kit won't make a (very) noticeable difference. They're little things you add to improve your car bit by bit. So don't say those Magnacor wires (that you paid way too much for, since NGK are 1/4 the price) made the car run sooooo much better.
- There are two exhaust sizes that matter - 2.25 inches for N/A and "anything bigger than that" for turbo.
- Cold air intake, SRI. I've had them both, and there ain't much difference. So stop trying to preach about your favorite. It's like 2 whp anyhow.
Brakes
- You don't need a big brake kit. Got it? If you had to ask, you don't need it. BBKs don't make you stop faster or harder. BBKs actually take more room to stop than the stock setup in most tests. People get BBKs because they don't overheat when they're racing. You don't even warm your brake pads drifting that corner to Giant Eagle, hotshot.
- You don't need better rear brakes! The rear brakes do like 20% of the stopping. Why improve them? Why waste the money?
Suspension
- The Lancer handles OK from the factory. The ride is a little plush and not very race-ish. But you CAN fix that. Believe me, I had every available mod.
- Springs are a horrible idea. They'll destroy your struts and make your car bumpy. Yeah, they'll improve handling, but that's only for the few months your struts survive.
- There's no good option for aftermarket struts. Deal with it. COILOVERS.
That's all for now. More later.
and what about all the strut bars for the front and back
thats all for now
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Originally Posted by rally-on
i put the sprint springs on so what you are saying is that is no good and that i need to go full blown with the adjustibale or since i got the springs what can i do to advance in what i have instead of getting rid of the springs
and what about all the strut bars for the front and back
thats all for now
and what about all the strut bars for the front and back
thats all for now
There's not much you can do to improve it. There are no aftermarket shocks available for your car.
So, you can either:
a) keep what you have and buy new OEM shocks when yours die
b) get coilovers and sell the springs
Strut bars are a good addition to the car, but definitely not mandatory. RRM is a good choice for front and rear. Don't buy eBay bars, because they're usually crap.
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From: las vegas
Originally Posted by yellowmsp035
you guys are all f-ing idiots... this whole thread is about 2 or 3 guys on here that no nothing about cars and how they work... first of all... springs do not blow struts.. the driving does.. struts have a 65% compression rate before they feel any stress whatsoever and you need over a 2.5-2.8 drop on a car to constantly compress the OZ strut therefor they should never blow... if you drive like an idiot becuase you have a lowered awesome handling car now than ya, you are overworking them and they will heat up and go on you... it has nothing to do with the lowered car thank you...
and for all of your N/A mods you keep talking about.. i guess this means easy bolt on mods... anyone who knows anything about cars knows that you dont put on a cold air intake and expect big power gains, you put one on your car to make it run better and more efficient and may gain 2-3hp as a bonus... and for you that said you cant use nitrous because your pistons arent strong enough? that is BS, you think your pistons are strong enough to hold a turbos load but they cant hold a couple shots of nitrous? how do you figure.. you dont just drop in a turbo and everything is good... for a proper running turbo setup needs a lot more money than that.. you need stronger pistons and rods you need forged internals so basically a fully rebuilt block... you should use bigger injectors and intake to bring in the air and fuel in the right ratio and a bigger exhaust to send it all out... you need a lot of things to turbo... so like dano said you want a faster car than this stock engine wont do it... maybe an engine swap is better for 500hp..but for people looking for a nicer running engine with a broader power range then bolt ons are good... turbos are not that simple as you say... im soo sick and tired of reading all your post form the same guys over and over again that keep saying the same BS and deleting everyones posts that disagree with them... this post will be deleted probably too because im trying to inform people that are being misguided that you guys dont know everything like you think you do... so i hope some people read it before it is deleted and im banned from the site
thanks for your time
and for all of your N/A mods you keep talking about.. i guess this means easy bolt on mods... anyone who knows anything about cars knows that you dont put on a cold air intake and expect big power gains, you put one on your car to make it run better and more efficient and may gain 2-3hp as a bonus... and for you that said you cant use nitrous because your pistons arent strong enough? that is BS, you think your pistons are strong enough to hold a turbos load but they cant hold a couple shots of nitrous? how do you figure.. you dont just drop in a turbo and everything is good... for a proper running turbo setup needs a lot more money than that.. you need stronger pistons and rods you need forged internals so basically a fully rebuilt block... you should use bigger injectors and intake to bring in the air and fuel in the right ratio and a bigger exhaust to send it all out... you need a lot of things to turbo... so like dano said you want a faster car than this stock engine wont do it... maybe an engine swap is better for 500hp..but for people looking for a nicer running engine with a broader power range then bolt ons are good... turbos are not that simple as you say... im soo sick and tired of reading all your post form the same guys over and over again that keep saying the same BS and deleting everyones posts that disagree with them... this post will be deleted probably too because im trying to inform people that are being misguided that you guys dont know everything like you think you do... so i hope some people read it before it is deleted and im banned from the site
thanks for your time
so i put some lowered sprint springs on my car and i drive regular and go slow over pot holes do i need to buy these 1200$ coil overs or just upgrade my shocks witch i want to do that any way but not for 1200 for 300 if i can
thanks
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From: Concord Township, Ohio
Originally Posted by rally-on
bravo
so i put some lowered sprint springs on my car and i drive regular and go slow over pot holes do i need to buy these 1200$ coil overs or just upgrade my shocks witch i want to do that any way but not for 1200 for 300 if i can
thanks
so i put some lowered sprint springs on my car and i drive regular and go slow over pot holes do i need to buy these 1200$ coil overs or just upgrade my shocks witch i want to do that any way but not for 1200 for 300 if i can
thanks
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From: las vegas
Originally Posted by Blacksheepdj
You can't upgrade your shocks, as I keep saying. No one makes shocks for your Ralliart. But have fun proving me wrong.
what choose is a good one and will it still give good handiling and i can go lower i assume right
I dont realize why anyone buys springs for a car w/o even knowing that you should also upgrade shocks/struts. I dont get it. springs are a cheap fix but by no meens the right way for the lancer. ES's I believe can get upgrades shocks from RRM.
Good choices are Teins and NEX for a lil cheaper set. The cheaper versions have adjustable ride height but not dampening. You will be able to go lower then springs.
Good choices are Teins and NEX for a lil cheaper set. The cheaper versions have adjustable ride height but not dampening. You will be able to go lower then springs.
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From: las vegas
Originally Posted by mitsuozboi
I dont realize why anyone buys springs for a car w/o even knowing that you should also upgrade shocks/struts. I dont get it. springs are a cheap fix but by no meens the right way for the lancer. ES's I believe can get upgrades shocks from RRM.
Good choices are Teins and NEX for a lil cheaper set. The cheaper versions have adjustable ride height but not dampening. You will be able to go lower then springs.
Good choices are Teins and NEX for a lil cheaper set. The cheaper versions have adjustable ride height but not dampening. You will be able to go lower then springs.
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Originally Posted by rally-on
it came with it typewriter tough guy
You aight.
Just to let everyone know.. I have an OZ, stock struts/shocks, and Eibach Pro Kit Springs. I drive on the very worst roads in the country with gaping potholes bigger than a 10c *****'s *****. I drive very spirited everywhere I go. Exit ramps at 55+ mph, corner hard, etc. Its been 2 years and running, harsh winters, hot summers. Not one adverse effect on my shocks. Its running perfect. (so far 40,000 miles on them with the springs)
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Originally Posted by wiretap
Just to let everyone know.. I have an OZ, stock struts/shocks, and Eibach Pro Kit Springs. I drive on the very worst roads in the country with gaping potholes bigger than a 10c *****'s *****. I drive very spirited everywhere I go. Exit ramps at 55+ mph, corner hard, etc. Its been 2 years and running, harsh winters, hot summers. Not one adverse effect on my shocks. Its running perfect. (so far 40,000 miles on them with the springs)
JK.
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Evo666 - this is my understanding, yes.
Originally Posted by yellowmsp035
you guys are all f-ing idiots... this whole thread is about 2 or 3 guys on here that no nothing about cars and how they work... first of all... springs do not blow struts.. the driving does.. struts have a 65% compression rate before they feel any stress whatsoever and you need over a 2.5-2.8 drop on a car to constantly compress the OZ strut therefor they should never blow... if you drive like an idiot becuase you have a lowered awesome handling car now than ya, you are overworking them and they will heat up and go on you... it has nothing to do with the lowered car thank you...
and for all of your N/A mods you keep talking about.. i guess this means easy bolt on mods... anyone who knows anything about cars knows that you dont put on a cold air intake and expect big power gains, you put one on your car to make it run better and more efficient and may gain 2-3hp as a bonus... and for you that said you cant use nitrous because your pistons arent strong enough? that is BS, you think your pistons are strong enough to hold a turbos load but they cant hold a couple shots of nitrous? how do you figure.. you dont just drop in a turbo and everything is good... for a proper running turbo setup needs a lot more money than that.. you need stronger pistons and rods you need forged internals so basically a fully rebuilt block... you should use bigger injectors and intake to bring in the air and fuel in the right ratio and a bigger exhaust to send it all out... you need a lot of things to turbo... so like dano said you want a faster car than this stock engine wont do it... maybe an engine swap is better for 500hp..but for people looking for a nicer running engine with a broader power range then bolt ons are good... turbos are not that simple as you say... im soo sick and tired of reading all your post form the same guys over and over again that keep saying the same BS and deleting everyones posts that disagree with them... this post will be deleted probably too because im trying to inform people that are being misguided that you guys dont know everything like you think you do... so i hope some people read it before it is deleted and im banned from the site
thanks for your time
and for all of your N/A mods you keep talking about.. i guess this means easy bolt on mods... anyone who knows anything about cars knows that you dont put on a cold air intake and expect big power gains, you put one on your car to make it run better and more efficient and may gain 2-3hp as a bonus... and for you that said you cant use nitrous because your pistons arent strong enough? that is BS, you think your pistons are strong enough to hold a turbos load but they cant hold a couple shots of nitrous? how do you figure.. you dont just drop in a turbo and everything is good... for a proper running turbo setup needs a lot more money than that.. you need stronger pistons and rods you need forged internals so basically a fully rebuilt block... you should use bigger injectors and intake to bring in the air and fuel in the right ratio and a bigger exhaust to send it all out... you need a lot of things to turbo... so like dano said you want a faster car than this stock engine wont do it... maybe an engine swap is better for 500hp..but for people looking for a nicer running engine with a broader power range then bolt ons are good... turbos are not that simple as you say... im soo sick and tired of reading all your post form the same guys over and over again that keep saying the same BS and deleting everyones posts that disagree with them... this post will be deleted probably too because im trying to inform people that are being misguided that you guys dont know everything like you think you do... so i hope some people read it before it is deleted and im banned from the site
thanks for your time
I think we found someone new to give the Lancer Guru Status to.
This thread is awsome, I have never seen such an arrogant lack of knowledge for the US Lancer in one place at one time.