Evo's are cost efficient. The fact everyone is missing is that they're comparing used parts with the cost of buying a new evo.... If you want to compare... Compare a used evo, with your used parts. Now is it worth it?

The best people to talk to is Ralliart in the uk, phone them.

Have you even considered a 6A12 engine? The 4g63 has too much hype because it's in their rally car.. but the 6A12 is just as strong and much cheaper to do.

AWD doesn't cost 10 grand to do. Maybe from scratch, but you can probably use the tunnels from a GSX and a few other parts making it rather cheap. Some under-carriage Evo parts might line up anyway. IDK.

The cooliest thing to do is reverse and make your lancer is RWD monster... Which is probably just as hard.


P.S.... All RRM kits are daily drivers.

 

About the used evo price, very good point, but I'd still rather do the AWD on a lancer.
hmm... I bet they would have some useful info.
6A12, isn't that the FTO engine(also found in SOHC form in Diamantes)? I've heard those are really heavy and make it hard to steer at low speeds. More info is needed on that idea anyway.
I could maybe see $10K for importing everything from an AWD Cedia.
RWD? I'm not out to win Formula D here, lol. But the concept is interesting

I didn't say an RRM kit couldn't be a daily driver, I said 300+hp, emphasis on the "+" RRM's kits that they sell don't give you that much out of the box, and I haven't seen too many(though there are a few) that have posted their cars running beyond 300+, whereas an Evo engine with turbo would put out nearly 300 stock, andhave been seen modified way beyond that. I'll never need that much power, and that much in the Lancer's FWD seems like it'd be hard to drive for daily commutes and such.

 

why? can't you just buy an evo and get over it? use that useless dollars to modify it if you want. but this thread borders to absurdity. if you want to increase post do it in some logical way

 

The floor pan on the Lancer does not have a tunnel to alow room for the rear wheel drive axel........how do you deal with that?

Also......the EVO has significant structural changes that help the EVO to handle the extra power.....I'm thinking your Lancer will be a ratlle box before no time.......IMHO.

Sick Speed

 

Why? Cause I can, why do you own all the cars you've got listed, why do you do any modifications you may have done? For one I'm trying to learn about the lancr and what can and cannot be achieved with it. For another, I've said many a time that I do not want a lancer evolution. If I were trying to increase post count would my first post be a mile long and actually attempt to be even remotely coherent? If I were only trying to increase post count would I be researching, asking and answering questions, and putting serious consideration into actually doing some of these modifications?
So to answer you questions:
No, I cannot just buy and evo and get over it.
Using the excess(assuming there would be any) cash to modify it would be pointless, as it's already more car than I want or need.
I've learned a lot from this "absurdity", thank you.
I'm sorry if I want to do absurd things with my car, but it is my car, and I doubt many people would call it absurd if I did this and it works.
And for the last time, I do not want an evo, I do not want an evo engine in my car, I do want AWD, preferably to the stock motor, if I can find a transmission that will achieve both goals. I do want it to remain automatic, as I personally kinda like the adaptive shift control. I do not need it to remain automatic, it's just a preference that will in no way make or break this plan. I want the end result to be a car comparable to the Japanese Lancer Cedia with AWD, but possibly just a bit sportier. I really don't see how you would have a problem with this, so by all means, elighten me.

And to SICK SPEED: That's been covered already, and I'm still looking into it, again, since the japanese car can have AWD, it is possible to get a floorpan that will accept AWD. I have not calculated costs yet, I'm presenty still figuring out what will be needed, then I will figure the cost.
Again, I'm not going for evo levels of power, so no, my car will not be a rattle box, especially since I am looking into some of the less major parts of the evo's reinforcements.

 

if that is what you really really want then so be it.

 

thanks for understanding, besides, I'll admit that most likely someone will find a problem that I can't find a way around, but at least then I'll know.

 

i think the new ralliart will have awd, and is similar chasis to the evo 10, it's probably worth the wait, however you're project is pretty cool to have awd in a 03 lancer but i'm thinking you'll probably run out of money and give up on it. If anybody knows succesful swaps post the links, it would be wise to ask those guys for advice

 

Yea, your right. Obviously 200 spot welds in the door alone doesnt back up the fact that theres more than 300 through the whole car...

Do you even know what a spot weld is? Please google for a better unterstanding...

Good luck on your endevors, Im done even trying to talk sense to you at this point. I feel like your the type of person that would debate the color of the sky just to disagree,and Im not getting involved in pointless debate. You want to spend the time and money making an awd Lancer with no power, go ahead. Ill be sure to look your way in a year and see how far you havent gotten.

 

I never said there weren't 300 in the whole car, just no evidence that 300 more were added. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. It's obvious there are more than 300 on the entire car, but how many of those were pre-existing and how many were added to make the car into an evolution? I'm simply sayign that adding hundreds of thousands of welds on top of the likely thousands that already exist seems impossible. I also apologise if you think I'd truly be willing to debate the color of the sky, because that isn't the case. I'm just saying that in terms of the added spot welds, hundreds of thousands seems like an exaggeration. Lastly, I can assure you that with my present job and cash flow, I'll probably have gotten nowhere in a year.

 

Jeez these threads are like crabs, you think you got rid of them but you forget about the eggs. Anyways, yes it is possible but you will pay a lot of money and end up with a car that has the serious potential to be plagued by all kinds of problems. Hell you could always just import an AWD lancer from another country and switch the VINs, it'd probably be cheaper than what you are suggesting. Sure it wouldn't be legal, but I doubt what you are suggesting is legal either. In the end it'd be cheaper to buy an AWD car, say a Subaru. If you want to do it, go nuts, the sky's the limit assuming your wallet can keep up.

 

Man you guys stress out about swapping a evo motor for a lancer. When really by the time you have it complete you would of had the time to save for an evo. Doing something that serious and changing out that many parts is bound to have that many problems. If you just suck it up and buy an evo, say a year down the road you get a little something called a warrenty. I just wouldent trust all of that custom modifications to later find out its just not going to work out right and wish i never did it in the first place.

 

Well, I've learned a lot here, including that this discussion is destined to go nowhere, so I'll be willing to drop the whole subject now, for my own information I will still research it, and if I end up honestly believing I can pull it off, then who knows. Thanks for the info, the comments, and the mostly constructive critisism. Most importnatly for me at least, I learned much more here about this subject and why it in all likelyhood is too infeasible for even the richest of us Lancer owners, than I have in the entire year of reading and searching on these boards since I joined. Again, thanks to everyone who contributed info and opinions.

 

I really respect how much class you have Disruptorzero... Usually people lose their cool after being flamed.

Just a few notes.
1. Automatics have gearing limitations.
2. The Lancer platform is similar to the evo's. People will tell you they're vastly different on the forums, but they're not.
3. Despite what you might believe, there are a lot of intelligent people here on the forums. But you have to ask very specific questions to get non-flame answers. Searching also does help, but is not god.


Keep us posted on your progress.

 

have you thought about talking with the machanics at a mitsu dealership. i talked with a guy here and he said that they could do it and if they ran into a problem they could easily fix it. and thats with the 4g63 and awd. he said that the estimate they got on it would be around 8-15 grand. not as much as an evo but he said with a little more he could make an 02 es handle,run,drive,and out power a stock evo with all stock on the es well of course with the swap and all. he mentioned something to me that i did not know. the 02-03 weighs less then the 04 and up. and the es weighs less then the evo. so ive thought about doing this myself. but its something i would rather do myself or have involvement on. and the guy at the mitsu place said anywhere between 2-5 months on the entire swap process. and of course it voids all warrantys and he advised me that if insurrance checked it they would not cover the car lol. just my 2 cents there