Where do you come up with statements like these?

 

From reading the site. But I don't personally know anyone that's had serious problems with theirs. That includes you, Matt, Andy (but he has been messing with his AEM EM non-stop for a while), Gary, Dave, Steve, and Kevin.

So what are these people doing that are always posting about their cars breaking down? I don't read half as much on Subaru sites....very rarely do I see a thread about someone having serious problems with their STi/STI.

If any of these forums are an idication, that's where I came up with that statement....

 

Yeah, and the M3 costs even more and has an even more plush ride. So what's your point? That the STI is somehow the pinnacle of price/comfort/performance?

Speaking of Consumer Reports...didn't I just read that the STI was the only Subaru that wasn't above average in reliability?

That's what they call anecdotal evidence. There may be something to it, but there may not be. There's not enough objective data in the collected anecdotes to make that determination. For example, most of "broken down" Evos I've read about here were very highly modified.

So, in other words, the M3 outclasses the Evo and the STI? What a shock. For only twice the price you can get a car that performs as well and has a nicer interior. Wow... So, again, what's your point?

 

I dont know, both have decent interiors, and there isnt that much that seperates the two. But I think the two things that the evo's interior puts a hurtin on the sti, is the recaro seats and the leg room in the back. I have had asked everyone that rode in the sti, who has rode in the evo, which interior they like best, and all have said the evo. The only thing I think the sti has over the evo is the a/c controls. As the stick on topgear said "The subaru, well its a little boys car. The EVO its a man's car" jk, I like both but Im glad I traded the sti for a IX.

 

this debate is pointless, and has been covered over and over

let's hope the 07 sti has raised the bar for subaru...it just means more and better competition. at this point it's too early too tell, and with the new generations coming out soon, may not be worth the effort of arguing over.
the evo and sti are both great cars, of course...

 

You totally miss the point, and this isn't the first time. Figure it out.

So, what did you read in Consumer Reports? You tell me!

For twice the price of an Evo? M3s cost $60,000? That's news to me! Do you think all you get is a plush interior? Buddy, please. The Evos you read about breaking down were "highly modified?" C'mon now, how common are the 320 whp Evos here? Very common. Hardly "highly modified." There aren't many people here that are putting down these sick "highly modified" numbers that you so claim!

All you "highly modified" Evos step forward with your hp/tq numbers, please.

 

+1, but after all, we all need justification! I don't see where the 2006s or 2007s are doing anything special that previous models didn't do, but whatever. As for the "new" turbo, that's great, but I still don't think it's up to the part of an Evo's stock turbo. It's time Subaru just caves in and gives the STI the turbo it deserves. I'm sure things will be quite different come the next generation STI. Why throw $ into a "dated" design?

 

Stock they come with throttle lag and hesitation...don't forget while in 04 evo and sti had the same lb's ...the sti kept getting heavier while evo stayed the same!

 

I believe the STi/STI picked up about 50 lbs? I wonder where it came from, because the front end surely looks lighter than the one on the 2004/2005 models.

 

Topspeed's dyno doesn't read too high.

3000ways makes a very good point about how the cars have evolved, and so has Doug. Considering how these two cars are the only two in its category, they couldn't be more different.

The unbiased truth is the EVO has a superior turbo placement for producing power, a stronger but not necessarily more reliable stock block. Its easier to carve up the streets with as well, has MUCH better seats and a poorer overall looking interior. STIs have a stronger driveline and transmission, better torque, poorer gearing for the 1/4, but good enough for any road course.Overall, EVOs handle sharper and easier, STI are balanced better for off road and seem to have a superior AWD system. The build quality and reliability is better on the Subaru. Not Camry vs. Caprice better, but better. People who demand evidence for that are no different than people on Mustang sites who demand proof that Japanese cars are more reliable than American cars. Its tends to even out in some areas the more you mod the cars.

Subaru owners who think an STI should perform as easily and to its power potential as an EVO at the 1/4 haven't been to the track. It can't, not without a perfect launch, no TMIC heatsoak, perfect boost control with all the gear changes, and a perfect 4-5 shift. Even then it won't be an apples to apples comparison. I'm not sure if turbo swapped '07s can hold 4th so I will reserve judgement, but it looks like the stock turbos can which is great. This car is a ***** to drag race, and I've taken it to the 1/4 more than enough times to know that it doesn't belong there. But I take it there and I'm an idiot like that ()

 

Nothing. I haven't read a CR in years. But I did see a blurb in the news about the reliability survey. From http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.as...tentid=4023544

All Subaru's except the WRX STi have better-than-average predicted reliability. The STi is average.

Evo RS: $28,700
M3: $48,900 coupe, $56,600 convertible

That's with no options and no dealer mark-up. Wouldn't be hard at all to get a coupe up to $58k.

Put words in other people's mouths much?

 

Look my previous post only dealt with performance, which I believed Mitsubishi has been a lot more focused on than Subaru, just my opinion, don't like it fine, but I'm entitled to my opinion.

Anyhow back on topic, I said earlier I was beginning to be swayed, but now I'm really wanting to know WTF is up with Top Speed's Dyno, sh*t even STi/STI owners are starting to question the numbers (nasioc.com)? Seriously I will not be sold until other tuners produce similiar numbers, and as far as I know that 12.1@113mph could be BS, Top Speed wasn't even there to witness it, he called them on the phone to tell them the results. Top Speed's dyno reads very high, it's time for 07 STIs with Intake, Headers, TBE, and Tunes to put out 320-350whp on other dynos and run more low 12s@110mph+.

I would love to see a 07 STI Limited with a TBE, Intake, Header, and Top Speed Tune and a 07 EVO IX SE with TBE, Intake, MBC, and Turbo Trix Tune and dyno both on Turbo Trix Dyno, now that would be interesting.

 

dd

 

i am going say there are more higher hp evo's then there are wrx and sti cars put togeather. for every wrx sti u people have over 300 hp we have 10 times the amount over 400 hp alone. we brake more parts then slowbaru because we make more power and we drive are cars the way they should be driven. we brake more parts because there is more evo's then sti's doing mods and driving hard. but wait u slowbaru people are so think headed its no wonder no one wants to hang out with your type. plus your cars suck. good for slowbaru steping up the 07's. we will still kick your *** from here back to japan.

 

Seems to be par for the course on this site, doesn't it......

And "average" for a high performance car is hardly a poor mark. Go find me another high performance car that has a reliability rating of "average." You surely won't find it with Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ford, Chevy, Dodge/Chrysler, Audi, BMW, etc.