Maybe that's why GM's 505hp Z06 comes in at a light 3100lbs and Porsches 480hp 911 Turbo comes in at a porky 3500+lbs. BTW, nobody slams my doors.


What does fit and finish have to do with engineering? The P-cars cost $40,000+ more than Corvettes....OF COURSE THEY SHOULD HAVE BETTER MATERIALS. Are you kidding me?

Over $1,000,000 dollars.

Over $200,000 dollars.

Over $170,000

Yes it is.

When you decide to come back to reality - let us know.

 

Reality seems to be eluding you. 1st off lambos are not all over 200K, while the Z06 markup has surpassed 80K, that gap is thinning.

Right, the weight has NOTHING to do with it's 4WD system on the P Turbo, oh none at all . The Vette weighs more then 3100 pounds too BTW.

What does fit and finish have to do with Engineering, you can't be serious? Are you insane? Go look at a C4 Vette and a Porsche of the same year if we are going to go back 20 years. The gaps in the body work (and remain today in fact) are on par with a Power Wheels ride on toy. The interior is CHEAP plastic and by now is splitting and falling apart and not much better then the Camaro or Caviler. The Porsche having every bit solid and engineering to fit and age properly won't be a rattle trap at this point. Till this very day although the interior design is better the materials used are flimsy, scratch easy, and are just cheap. The shifter feel is awful as well which can really distract from a driving performance. The steering has still be described as numb along with a ON/OFF switch for a pedal. No balance, no poised, shifts like a tractor. Much worse of you take one index finger and poke the rear end of a Vette your hand MIGHT go through it, the body work just flexes as it goes along.

The Z06 is a great motor and a cheap platform. Many have complained about the Vette's handling and chassis which isn't up to par with it's motor, the nose is to tight and heavy while the rear end is too light and loose. The Transition from understeer to massive oversteer is quite unsettling. You can unsettle the Vette much easier and that is pretty strange since the Porsche is engineered backwards with the motor over the rear wheels, god knows why but in the GT3 it just simply works.

What bothers me is that you think Fit an Finish is just a luxury/plush item; it is not. Fit and Finish is engineering and without it you would simply have a plank of wood with a motor tied to it. The Vette is a cheap shell, it really is, the windows will begin to rattle when you close the door, the roof is already known to fly off, traction eludes this thing and it eats tires, noticeable body roll which has led to many complaints of unsettlement/twitchy transitions. All of these gripes have been found by several testers. Yes it'll wax an F430 in a straight line, they both top out at about the same though and the F430 is much, more balanced and poised and MUCH more entertaining to drive.

Fit and Finish; It involves engineering and how materials are fitted and work with one another. The way the wheels react with the road, how comfortable you are when driving, the whole experience in fact. The Vette gives you big numbers with Barn Door Engineering. It's a hoot in a straight line and it's tail out antics can entertain anyone and can handle well but it doesn't have the balance, composure, focus of say a GT3, which laps faster on a heavier chassis, 100 LESS HP, over 100 FP's less, and only Six cylinders; it's no secret as to why this is possible; ZEEE GERMANS.

The Germans are IMHO the best the world has to offer in the field of Engineering; especially in motor design. They have had their hands in the fastest cars in the world and build their motors, Lamborgheni completely revamped, Mclaren F1/BMW V12, Bugatti/Bently W Design now, all of their massively powerful and smooth motors reaching well over 240MPH at this point on 93 unleaded, it's no mistake.

 

I've driven the Z06, sorry just not impressed. I don't see how that car is a 'bargain'. I don't buy a car to go around saying that 'oh my car is better than yours for the money'. Go to corvetteforum.com and that's really what these guys all talk about. It blows my mind how someone can pay $80k for a car that is built like a saturn. I test drove a used one (3k miles), the chassis rattled constantly, the alignment was all screwed up, the drive train made some really wierd noises and a couple pieces of the dashboard started to fall off. YEAH GREAT BARGAIN. If the car is bad shape at this low mileage, I would hate to find out what will happen to it on the track.. sounds pretty scary to me.

'Faster' is also very relative, I've seen well prepped miatas blow buy high HP cars at the track. These cars only have about 150hp,...doesn't that mean they should be slower??

 

I'm going to have to disagree with saying the editors cant drive... Theyve been doing their job for a while and their reviews are usually spot on... Theyre trap speeds are accurate, even though they dont always launch amazing for the lowest E.T.


I believe they ran the IX at 13.2 @ 105..... The seems pretty accurate to me...

Sure there are a pretty good handle full that have run 12's stock, but very very few and those are people with awd backrounds. I ran 13.07 stock coming from a quattro a4.

Most people with stock evo's run 13.4's-13.8's, thats the fact.

Their testing is based on typical driving. I'm sure if they put a pro driver they could pull of a 12.7-12.8 like some of the awd guru's have done on here with stock cars.

If i saw the car being promoted as a 12.7 car then my first run out in the evo i ran 13.2, i would feel extrememly disappointed.


end rant...

 

You seem delusional and it's affecting your views of what reality really is.

What is the cheapest Lambo going for? $175,000? If you weren't so dense, you would realize that $175,000 is A LOT MORE THAN $70,000. You aren't going to buy a $175k car for $70k. The Z06 is a great car, but that just isn't going to happen.

You're delusional. You can buy a Z06 for MSRP. That has been the case for about a year now. Let me know when you get back to reality.

Who cares? Fact is - the 911 is fat, cost $50,000 more and is SLOWER than the Z06. How you like them apples?

Via Chevrolet's website, the Z06 is 3,132lbs - that's pretty close to 3100lbs.

No. You're delusional, though.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the cost of a car has A LOT to do with its fit/finish and materials used. Add $50,000 to the price of a Corvette and I'm sure Chevrolet could match anything Porsche is doing.

However, that's not what the Corvette is about. It's a bang-for-the-buck car much like the EVO (another car with questionable fit/finish) is.

TYou're being delusional again. A 911 of the same year cost much more than C4 - I would expect it to have better fit/finish.

Do you always compare cars without taking price into consideration??? Next thing I know, you'll be comparing the Veyron and Corvette again.

Bottom line: you need help because you've been owned in this debate.


And many have love loved it. Even your idol - Jeremy Clarkson liked the handling of both the C6 and Z06. 5th gear's Tiff Needell also loved it.

Tiff Needell's review of the Z06: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoZXNu9JpZY

Yet it still blistered cars cost $50k more on the track. BTW, the Z06 has 50/50 weight distribution.

Did you not pay attention to the revised shocks added for '07? Regarless, quite a small problem once you learn to drive the car.

Translation: the 'Vette is too much car for me and I can't handle it. Go cry somewhere else. Maybe you missed this part: Sounds like fun to me.

The GT3 also cost around $40,000 more than the 'Vette (and it's slower LOL).

BTW - I believe this test and many others show that - "the Corvette just works."

No - I never siad that. However, fit and finish do relate to cost. Compare an EVO to an M3 - both cars perform similarly, but the M3 will have much better fit and finish - not mention materials. Does that mean the EVO is a POS? No, Mitsu had a low $30k price point to hit, thus only so much money could go into interior refinement. It's the same case for the Z06.

And you're delusional if you believe fit and finish have nothing to do with price. The Corvette is a $45k car. The 911 Turbo is a $125k car. Pretty big gap ehh? That's like comparing the fit and finish of a EVO to a BMW M5. Pointless.


Opinion.

Stop begging. We heard your opinion the first time. I can do the same watch: The 911 Turbo is an overpriced car.

Where is your proof of this? How many C6 Corvettes have you owned? Me thinks you are talking out of your hind parts.

Maybe you are talking about your uncles 20 year old C4 that has 150k miles.

Being a man such discerning taste when it comes to refinement - I'm very surprised that you drive a POS Lancer (Yeah, the EVO performs well, but it's still a POS Lancer).

It obvious that you are delusional enough to believe that the 911 in some kind of Toyota Corolla. FYI - 911s aren't Corollas and they can require many expensive repairs as they age.

haha....obvious fan boy on our hands. The roof was a problem on a few early production Z06 cars.

Do you really want to open the quality closet? Porsche and Ferrari have a lot of skeletons in there.

Where is your evidence? It obviously has enough traction to blister Germany's best around the track. Eats tires? That's a new one.


Body roll? Where did you hear that? Maybe body roll is what helped it destroy the $125k 911 turbo

And yet the overall opinion is that it's an awesome car and unbeatable for the money. But hey, the conclusion doesn't support your assertion so I guess you left it out.


And the Corvette will also wax it AROUND the track. I'm glad you've given us your opinion about which is more entertaining to drive. I doubt you've ever driven one because you obviously don't have the common sense to see how comparing a $175k car and a $70k car is DELUSIONAL.

And obviously all the 40,000 people buying Corvettes every year don't see a problem with fit and finish. Maybe you should come over to Corvetteforums and educate everyone about how they made a terrible mistake and how their car will be falling apart within 5 years.

Something tells me you're too big of a coward and would rather sit here and bring up make believe problems. It's obvious that you have GCOCD and the facts mean nothing (German Car Obsessive-compulsive disorder).


Hey, you knew barn door engineering could smoke a 911 turbo for half the price. It also makes you wonder how barn door engineering could dominate the modern era of Le Mans.

It really makes you wonder what the guys in Germany are doing!


Did you not read the OP? The GT3 was SLOWER. And, it cost about $40k more!

LOL - silly kids.

You've been drinking too much German fanboy koolaid.

What do those engines/cars have to do with the $45-70k Corvette?

Like I said, you're delusional.

How much do they cost?

What does Germany offer me for $70k that can compete with the Z06?

Nothing.

Now go play.

 

I agree with you Ed, I think he is just a German fanboy...look at what he drives. Talk about a dud! BMW really hit a homer with that one....

I also don't think he has spent any seat time in a Z06 or maybe any current C6.

From someone who owns one and drives one almost everyday he is trying to tell me about what my car is like. " Built like a Saturn" that one kills me. He really doesn't have a clue does he.

Also FYI we don't just talk about how great the Z06 is over on the Corvettefourms we talk about all the same things that we talk about on this site. Car guys talking car talk. It doesn't matter Evo or Corvette, Mustang or Porsche, import or domestic.....Oh and theres always someone like him on every site if you know what I mean.

I'm done with him. I tried ....and I won't be given him a ride anytime soon

 

Wow sir you are ANGRY!. 4 pages of this stuff all directed at protecting your opinion on a car. Have you Ever driven a Vette? Have you ever driven a late model Z06? Have you ever driven a Porsche? Porsche Turbo? GT3? Now before you conjur up a delusion of grandure I THINK you are basing all your knowledge on such vehicles by magazine racing. The Link I posted showed excellent recorded DATA with specific specs on all major performance aspects, it exposed the Vette as what it is and what I have explained it to be. I have Driven a 6speed C5, an Auto C6, and a Porsche-S and a Boxtser but that doesn’t count. I have been blasted around in a 2006 Z06, very fun car, also very plasticy and floaty.

When you toss around words like LOL before every sentence, and powned and fanboi, it shows that you lack the information and tact needed for a polite conversation. You seem to be taking this seriously and I doubt that you have been in or even seen either cars with your reaction. It also seems to me that you Magazine race, which is fine, but the winner depends on which mag you read now doesn’t it? I know you are jumping up and down holding your C&D and show your little friends at the lunch table at school, but if you must mag race, plase read all of them.

Look.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/1...onclusion.html

Porsche 911 GT3
Best lap (MIN:SEC): 1:39.517
81.0 mph avg
1.69g peak lateral acceleration

"The Porsche 911 GT3, to me, is perfect. I wouldn't change anything. I like the engine, the handling, the [ceramic] brakes. This is the car every race driver would like to have on the rack. It's neutral and has a wide powerband, the brakes are stable, it's well balanced, it has good traction. It's perfect." Angelelli also admitted that even with all his experience, he probably only probed 85 to 90 percent of this car's astounding limits, and he opined that its behavior probably becomes unpredictable at the limits-especially under power. When asked whether a Cayman with the same engine, brakes, and tires wouldn't be better still, he fretted about its less rigid chassis. We'd sure love the chance to try that option.
Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Best lap (MIN:SEC): 1:40.919
79.8 mph avg
1.57g peak lateral acceleration

ANGELELLI saved the Z06 for last because prior experience suggested it would be a handful. "This one is definitely the most difficult to drive, because of the low rear grip and high power." He doubts tires are the only culprit. "The front seems soft and heavy, and the rear seems too stiff and very light. So when you go into all the corners, you have enormous oversteer. Off power, on power, on brake-everywhere." Angelelli also felt the chassis could use more torsional rigidity. He praised the steering and the limited-slip differential, however, and reckoned he'd love to take a Z06 out hunting Ferraris on the Italian autostrada, but for a twisty road-he'll choose the 911 or Exige.

Now instead of typing “LOL” and “OWNED YO” I used FACTS to support my claimes. The GT3 placed 1.402 FASTER; that is HUGE. The GT3 ONLY has 415hp/300 lb-ft, and yet the Vette with nearly 500/500 and weighs less, was all over the place and could not keep up. THAT my friend is balance and engineering and poise. None of which the Z06 has.




I think you think that the Porsche is priced higher because it is a status symbol while the Vette is priced right; how wrong. There is however dealer markups, you won’t get a Z06 for list, you won’t get a Lambo for list. Show me WHERE you can get a Z06 for list, please.

The GT3 according to my Mag review, (remember you haven’t driven either cars, just jerk off to mags now  ) and the Zo6 was bested by that overweight GT3 with 100HP LESS and even fewer Foot Pounds; how do you like THEM apples.


Chevy will NEVR match anything Porsche is doing. Where are all the big name brands? It USED to be U.S.A, now we build plastic messes, you can’t compare Chevy to Porsche, stop it, you have to be joking, have you not SEEN a Porsche, go beg somebody for a ride. It is beyond solid and controlled, the Vette is a tub that rolls, every one of you mags state this as well.


Oh look he is posting OWNED, how old are you, were you up all night clicking refresh until you can get the last post in? Owned sir, you are crying right now, and sadly have not driven either cars, that is owned if you must little boy. Once again the GT3 is much more competent and much better at turn in and has less over steer and the build quality just embarrasses the Z06. The Z06 lacks refinement, idk how many LOL’s or “POWNED” or how many magazines you ********** to, it’s doesn’t make you opinion correct either way.

 

i have an 06 Z06 on my lot...

im not a corvette fan... but it is a bad-*** car... massive power... hits 60 in first...90 in second.. .etc...

the gt3 is a good car... TT 997 is a bit numb....

the evo cant compete at ALL with a z06 on anything beyond an autox course unless its a big built car.....

cb

 

I didn't read a word on here except for a few posts, but basically the only comparison between a Z06 and an Evo is the fact that they are both performance bargains! And don't forget that a Z06 costs more than two times an Evo. $70K ish. Comparing the two is kind of unfair.

 

just my 2 cents, there is not a chance of walking out of a lambo dealer with anything costing under 200,000.

 

Here is a vendor stating the obvious. For everyone knocking the car show me another car that has the package the Z06 has for twice the price? I'm a Ford GT nut and to be honest the GT interior is sparce in comparison. You could spend 150k for a decked out Porsche 997 TT, but now you have taken a noticable step down in performance. With a solid gold priced aftermarket to boot.

To make things better you can buy a Z06 and drop 5k in it and put down 580whp on pump gas trapping 130mph+ running over 200mph what's not to like? I don't get it.....has to be just typical "I don't like American cars cause there American and 50yr old guys drive them" syndrome. The cars are vicious end of story!!!

 

I agree Jasil. I think some people just have a thing for domestics.

I would think that most people who are into cars that live in this freakin would be proud that an car can deliver performance levels that some of the high end supercars do for a fraction of the cost.....I don't get it.

 

Naa, I just like putting people who use phrases like: in their place.


I bet you are very curious seeing as you have just admitted to NEVER, I repeat NEVER driven a Z06 Corvette.

Translation: I have never driven a Z06, but I rode shotgun.

That sir, makes you a fanboy that has no means to criticize the Z06 except via the magazine article you have read. Many people in this thread OWN a Z06, so what they say isn't coming from a toilet paper substitute - MAGS.

It's funny that you accuse me of magazine racing when you go on to say: You even posted the pictures....how precious.

Pure comedy.

The link you posted is rubbish - the GT3 is on R-compounds and the Z06 is on runflats. All handling tests are apples to oranges without equal tires.

Now lets entertain your little case of magazine worship.

How is how the test you posted turns out when you remove the subjective categories: http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mtgb6.gif

As you can see, the Z06 ranks ahead of the EVO and Exige.

I hate to say it, but I'm going to use some internet lingo again: OWNED.


You drive an EVO - you should definately know about plasticy.

Or it shows that you aren't the only person to read a few magazines and throw what they say up as gospel.

It's funny that you disregard all the positive reviews of the Z06 and then go on to compare it with cars that cost $40,000+ more. Apples-to-oranges.

Well you've already said that you rode shotgun with someone and you also drove a C5 and auto C6. You are obviously a driving expert.

Get over yourself. You are welcome to an opinion, but you are definately not the definitive source of information regarding ANYTHING.

Pot meet kettle: When you couldn't make an argument, where did you run? A magazine - that's right, a magazine.

I agree, you seem to be an expert. Afterall - you go on to tell me to "read them all". Obviously, you've read them all and picked the parts that support your OPINIONS. Is that how it works?

It seems like you've already picked a winner before the test even starts.

The Car and Driver test was VERY objective. Take 15 or so car and run them around the road course.

In this objective test - the Z06 made the r-compound wearing, $110,000+ costing supercars look foolish.

And for you, I'm getting a visual of you crying in the corner and yelling, "how could this happen!!!!!"????

As a result, while tears run down your face, you tell yourself, "I've never owned a Z06, but I'm going to go argue on a forum and let the world know that the Z06 doesn't have the steering feel of the ZEEE GERMANS."



Great another magazine article from someone that hates mag racing. Oh the irony.

It's funny, but it seems like every complaint in your previous post came straight from a this magazine.

You are a riot.

So the tires ARE partially to blame?


Interesting.

You are hung up on my vocabulary because you have ZERO original insight. All you have done is spew magazine jargon. Maybe it makes you feel smart?

So if I use a magazine article, does make it facts too?

I have another magazine article coming up that you may like. I'll start a new thread for it.

The GT3 has R-compunds. Apples-to-oranges, sport.

That is my friend, is a high level of grip provided by race rubber.


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Wow, now Mr. Maturity is telling me what I have and have not done. More importantly, he now making comments/insults of the sexual variety.

Word of advice: When you result to getting so angry that you start using potty mouth insults - step away from the computer and cool off.

Not so fast, sport. You're mixing up your cars (probably out of anger). The GT3 is NOT overweight. I said the 911 Turbo was overweight. Selective reading is a bad habit.

And he says it so convincingly.

By the looks of the track numbers, it looks like Porsche is having trouble matching what Chevrolet is doing.


Wow, you are now using off-topic sophomoric rants. Your arguments have been laid out and sliced and diced. You have now been reduced to the position of rambling. Your basic point is "Porsche is my favorite....they are better because I say so....and they are cooler....and some of the mags say so too...."



For someone that is taking this thread to serious - you seem to be getting pretty angry....hostile even.

You forgot to say "the GT3 is most favorite car and I'll beat you up if you disagree".


When in doubt - revert back to potty humor and tell someone their opinion isn't as good as yours. That is a top notch debating style you have there. Keep it up.

 

Still going I see? Please calm down. I would like to know how you "Put me in my place?" What is wrong with using the Phrase "Zeeee Germans???

If you have NEVER driven a Z06, why do you act like you know it's true abilities and handling characteristics? You just admitted that you are magazine racing, a big NO NO on this site, and the hallmark of a "Fanboi".

The article I posted was much more complete then the C&D article, it measured all handling and speed elements of every vehicle, adhesion limits, turn it, much much more technical albeit a Magazine. I think you are upset your Z06 LOST to a porky, underpowered Porsche. One way to discredit a magazine racers opinion is simply to post an oposiing magaizne, which I did, and well you are at a lost for words as it seems.

The Z06 ranks ahead of the Evo and Exige, duh, both cars have half the power of the Vette, I never tired to claim parity between the two cars. The Evo did however have a stronger exit speed from sharp corners, credit it's AWD, but that is the only advantage.

IDK HOW this equates to “OWNED” but once again you exhibit the tell tale signs of an over eager internet fanboi eager to show his dominance by typing lol and POWNED, again this is classic and quite troubling that your would result to these tactics. You are however showing you lack of maturity and ignorance of facts posted by me; please be more observant of the information present instead of going off on wild tirades of OWNED, which just highlights your ignorance.


I do not disregard the positives of the Vette, it is amazing but when compared against the pure focus of the GT3, it is exposed; I just proved that to you in my last post. The GT3 weighs more, has 100HP less, 200 Foot pounds less, and still bests the Vette by one and a half seconds; THAT is owning. Make a note of it for future reference.

If you have to visualize me crying in the corner to help your delusion of “winning” an internet argument and get to sleep at night, by all means visualize that, we wouldn’t want you missing bed time. I picture you as an indiscernible screaming mongoliod jumping up and down point to his newly purchased copy of C&D while smacking his keyboard with a hammer trying to thwart anyone who besmirches your precious Z06 which only has a magazine reference in your little world.

Your entire basis of any argument comes from a magazine. I atleast have some seat time with P Cars and Vettes in C4-C5 and C6 but now Z06's. I simply posted another test from a similar magazine of equal credibility and your world comes crashing down. I do find it ironic that while one magazine has pumped you up on a car that you will never own yet you feel you know everything about, another magazine crashes your image and all you can do is jump up and down and yell. Is your tactic now to type LOL, OWNED and attack my personal character while prtending to be amused (nervious laughter) all the while ignoring the facts I posted? You can make all the noise you desire but the fact remains that all your knowledge was purchased on a street corner for $4.99 with shiny/glossy photos no doubt stuck together at this point.

I myself pointed out the underperformance of the 911 T, pointing out its weight and poor handling being VERY twitchy at the limit despite it's AWD balancing out it's massive rear Bias. My only point was to show the dominance of the GT3, which it is. Not the Evo, Exige or 911-T. I do believe that if the Exige had more power, its 2000 pound platform would dominate.

Once again please stop you magazine fonboi argument tactics because it points out that you lack the ability to reason or conjure up a thought that is your own and not of a silly magazine which in itself is just opinions of others.

That said, I believe you and I can agree that the Motor Trend Article is more accurate as it’s recorded on track data is consistent and the numbers show the Porsche GT3 on top. It is not subjective but a comprehensive analysis of handling/speed/track times. I also would like to know if you have ever DRIVEN a Vette or a Porsche let alone seen one? I have had my hands on a C6 and a P car in S trim, I know it isn’t a GT3 nor a C6 Z06 but I am willing to bet it is much more then you have had down there in NC.

Questions?

Quote:

Originally Posted by E. Haskell

Naa, I just like putting people who use phrases like: in their place.


I bet you are very curious seeing as you have just admitted to NEVER, I repeat NEVER driven a Z06 Corvette.

Translation: I have never driven a Z06, but I rode shotgun.

That sir, makes you a fanboy that has no means to criticize the Z06 except via the magazine article you have read. Many people in this thread OWN a Z06, so what they say isn't coming from a toilet paper substitute - MAGS.

It's funny that you accuse me of magazine racing when you go on to say: You even posted the pictures....how precious.

Pure comedy.

The link you posted is rubbish - the GT3 is on R-compounds and the Z06 is on runflats. All handling tests are apples to oranges without equal tires.

Now lets entertain your little case of magazine worship.

How is how the test you posted turns out when you remove the subjective categories: http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mtgb6.gif

As you can see, the Z06 ranks ahead of the EVO and Exige.

I hate to say it, but I'm going to use some internet lingo again: OWNED.


You drive an EVO - you should definately know about plasticy.

Or it shows that you aren't the only person to read a few magazines and throw what they say up as gospel.

It's funny that you disregard all the positive reviews of the Z06 and then go on to compare it with cars that cost $40,000+ more. Apples-to-oranges.

Well you've already said that you rode shotgun with someone and you also drove a C5 and auto C6. You are obviously a driving expert.

Get over yourself. You are welcome to an opinion, but you are definately not the definitive source of information regarding ANYTHING.

Pot meet kettle:

When you couldn't make an argument, where did you run? A magazine - that's right, a magazine.

I agree, you seem to be an expert. Afterall - you go on to tell me to "read them all". Obviously, you've read them all and picked the parts that support your OPINIONS. Is that how it works?

It seems like you've already picked a winner before the test even starts.

The Car and Driver test was VERY objective. Take 15 or so car and run them around the road course.

In this objective test - the Z06 made the r-compound wearing, $110,000+ costing supercars look foolish.

And for you, I'm getting a visual of you crying in the corner and yelling, "how could this happen!!!!!"????

As a result, while tears run down your face, you tell yourself, "I've never owned a Z06, but I'm going to go argue on a forum and let the world know that the Z06 doesn't have the steering feel of the ZEEE GERMANS."



Great another magazine article from someone that hates mag racing. Oh the irony.

It's funny, but it seems like every complaint in your previous post came straight from a this magazine.

You are a riot.

So the tires ARE partially to blame?


Interesting.

You are hung up on my vocabulary because you have ZERO original insight. All you have done is spew magazine jargon. Maybe it makes you feel smart?

So if I use a magazine article, does make it facts too?

I have another magazine article coming up that you may like. I'll start a new thread for it.

The GT3 has R-compunds. Apples-to-oranges, sport.

That is my friend, is a high level of grip provided by race rubber.


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Wow, now Mr. Maturity is telling me what I have and have not done. More importantly, he now making comments/insults of the sexual variety.

Word of advice: When you result to getting so angry that you start using potty mouth insults - step away from the computer and cool off.

Not so fast, sport. You're mixing up your cars (probably out of anger). The GT3 is NOT overweight. I said the 911 Turbo was overweight. Selective reading is a bad habit.

And he says it so convincingly.

By the looks of the track numbers, it looks like Porsche is having trouble matching what Chevrolet is doing.


Wow, you are now using off-topic sophomoric rants. Your arguments have been laid out and sliced and diced. You have now been reduced to the position of rambling. Your basic point is "Porsche is my favorite....they are better because I say so....and they are cooler....and some of the mags say so too...."



For someone that is taking this thread to serious - you seem to be getting pretty angry....hostile even.

You forgot to say "the GT3 is most favorite car and I'll beat you up if you disagree".


When in doubt - revert back to potty humor and tell someone their opinion isn't as good as yours. That is a top notch debating style you have there. Keep it up.

 

You should see what some dealers are doing lol