Yep, I love putting people like you in their place.

I'm very calm - although your asertions about my sexual habits were rather alarming.

How? Simple - reason and logic.

Nothing unless it's the parting phrase of an obvious fanboy.

Where did I say I did or didn't drive the Z06? You've been caught with your foot in your mouth.

If you consider posting the track results of a magazine's test, "mag racing" sure. When you can assemble a similar group of cars and give us test results, we will will use your "real world" data. Until, then get off your high horse Mr. I accuse people of mag racing and refute their claims with mag racing of my own.

So you're one of those mag racers that cherry picks his material? Gotcha. My problem is you telling me to "read them all." I believe you meant to say: "read the ones that agree with me."


The first step is admitting you have a problem.

Judging by the OP, both Porsches got spanked. I believe that upset you so you tried to derail this thread. Instead of addressing the objective track times - you've tried to turn your attention to quality. When that didn't work - you threw in a mag article of your own.

I have no problem with people posting other articles - yet I'm at a loss for words trying to figure out what some other test has to do with Car and Driver's lightning lap.

No matter how many articles you bring up, it doesn't erase the result's of the Lightning Lap. You can bury your head in the sand all you want though.

[QUTE]The Z06 ranks ahead of the Evo and Exige, duh, both cars have half the power of the Vette,[/QUOTE]What does power have to do with handling? You've made one of those leaps of logic again.

Thank you for your insight.

Stop trying to play the passive aggressive role. It won't work with me. You were owned severely. The word "owned" may offend you because by the looks of things - you've been owned quite a few times.


More passive-agressive mumbo jumbo Mr. " how many magazines you ********** to"

Now you're trying to pass off opinions and magazine articles as facts. And you also have the gumption to speak of maturity. To put this in perspective with your earlier comments:

Oh, the irony.


Your arguments lack substance. I can't blame you for focusing on my use of the word "owned" instead of your failed arguments.


What did you prove? It looks like you proved you know how to look at a magazine and declare it as gospel.

Not only did you fail to take into consideration that one car is using R-compound race tires - you also failed math class. It's 1.4 seconds.

Regardless, what does your article have to do with the OP? Additionally, why would it matter if the Z06 was slower than a GT3? What does the Z06 have to prove against a car that cost $40,000 more?

Here is a snippet from the article you posted: That looks like a $45,700 price difference.

What can I say, you are a master of the apples-to-oranges comparisons.

After the bloody defeat you've taken in this exchange, I'm sure you have a running list of notes.

If you have to visualize me masturbating to a magazine article to help your delusion of "winning" an internet argument and get sleep at night, by all means visualize that.

.......wait no, please don't do that.

Mr Maturity strikes again, but this time with sophomoric insults. Tune in next week for the lost art of finger painting.


Is that what is? You prefer Motor Trend. I've gotta respect someone that stands up for their favorite magazine. I mean, when someone starts posting articles....err I mean facts that accompanied by pictures.....you know that person is serious about the magazine of choice.

Shweew. For a minute there, I thought you were going to tie in the keyboard and hammer to your last potty mouth insult.

Pot meet kettle: Checkmate.

Everybody has seat time on the intraweb. You sound like a noob.


Which had nothing to do with the OP.

I'm not the one spending my time trying to discredit a car's accomplishments. You've been on Corvette attack mode since entering this thread. It sounds like C&D's test really got under your skin.


Did you just try your hand at elitism again? The rich man says to the poor man "a car you will never own". Don't worry we all know you are a man of the world....yadda yadda yadda.

Now, now, you have the definitive source of knowledge. You am I to question you. I believe you put it best: You're a self proclaimed fact speaker.

Hey, jumping up and down is better than some of the other things you said I was doing!

I love your use of passive-aggressive arguments.

Here is how a debate with you would go.

Me: You're wrong

You: Yeah, well all you can do is sit around masturbating to magazine articles.

Me: That is such an ignorant thing to say

You "You are so bad. You attacked my personal character and over used the "lol".

Me: Yeah, well that shows how mature you are

You: You can make all the noise you desire but the fact remains that all your knowledge was purchased on a street corner for $4.99 with shiny/glossy photos no doubt stuck together at this point.

That pretty much sums up your debate style.


Oh trust me - you are amusing.

Are you still touting those magazine articles? It's kinda sad.

And once again he reverts back to sophomoric insults.

Grow up.

My only point was to show the results of Car and Driver's Lightning Lap.

It sounds like the results hurt your feelings.



More great insight.

Read that back to yourself. Seriously, read that back to yourself.


I don't need to think - you've already posted up a magazine article that is fact.

Read that one back to yourself and think long and hard about it.

Come on now - are you really trying to decide which magazine articles are more accurate?

You always find new ways to entertain me. (and you said that so seriously)


That pretty much defines your perspective on this issue.

When are going to stop magazine racing?

 

That pretty much defines your perspective on this issue.

Why didn't you say this to start with.

 

Total disregard for the links I gave, ehh?

 

E. Haskell The invoice he dug up is probably something he downloaded from some site where they showed the high dealer markups that were happening back when the 06 Z06 first came out....in fact that one is one of the highest I've seen. Probably in Cal, FL or NYC area since they had the highest markups back then and the last to start selling at MSRP or below.....this always happens when a special car comes out and the stealerships know that they can get over invoice for them. Happening to the Mustang GT500 right now and as soon as the new Viper comes out I'm sure they will do the same not to mention the new SS supervette. Some guys have already agreed to pay a 25% markup on them at whatever price they come in at. I won't pay over MSRP on just Principal alone...but thats me.

I got my 07 at MSRP. about 3 months ago which I ordered from a local dealer 8 months before ( didn't want it till spring ). By the time the car came in I could have gone out of state and saved maybe 1-2k but I went with the dealer that honored our MSRP agreement and they have great service dept ( mod friendly) so I took delivery.

Right now you can get new 07 Z's at 4k under MSRP in fact one guy just got one for 5k under. 08's are pretty much coming in at MSRP right now.

BTW mine was just under 75k and I have every option except NAV + Chrome wheels. One of my best friends is the number one salesperson at a large local multi-brand dealerships and has sold Porsches, BMW, MB and Audi and has been doing it for over 20 yrs now. After he and I test drove the 997TT and the GT3 together he said to me " I would buy the Z06 if I were you". After I got it and took him for a drive in it "he said I told you this was the way to go!

I've enjoyed your debate with High PSI your right he is using magazine articles as his basis for arguments and is for sure a German fanboy.

You know it's funny we get one of these guys ( Magazine Racers ) over on the Corvetteforums now and them but the guys that really own/daily drive/race both cars and there are quite a few of them are not at all like that and give each car it's proper credits and right now there is a thread going on the C&D test and how well the new 08C6 z51 did against the other cars in the test and the fact the Z06 won with just runnig the factory fun flats on.


Take care

 

Fanboy is a term used to describe an individual (usually male, though the feminine version fangirl may be used for females) who is utterly devoted to a single fannish subject, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession, disregarding any factors that differ from their point of view. Fanboys are also typically aggressive and hateful towards the opposing brand or competition of their obsession regardless of its merits or achievements


Fanboys are attributed with a sycophantic devotion to the creators and principles behind a work with which they are currently enthralled, but will quickly move their attention elsewhere once something better or just newer comes along. Fanboys are noted for a very emotional attachment to their chosen subject, often taking negative remarks about it as a personal attack. They will readily engage in debates, but will fall back on emotional responses. For example, a "fanboy" may go out of their way to point out negative and often untrue statements about their obsession's rivals; this is commonly known as FUD. Fanboys are often hostile towards critical review of their chosen subject. This is seen often in the case of cult television shows and films which tend to show their age as time passes


Fanboys are also terrors of the Internet posting forums. They must assert massive attacks of Copious amounts of data/claims/ and personal attacks against anyone who doesn't share their view. They get enthralled in their posting and become delusional in thinking. Much like a true argument face to face, a Fanboy believes that if he is louder, he is right. On the message boards where text is involved the Fanboy must attack every word with irrelevant banter and must try and show his enjoyment of the argument along with proclaiming dominance of the other internet poster. The Fanboy is relentless and loses his/her ability to reason and simply must "WIN" even if the Fanboy must claim himself winner. Fanboys don't generally act this agressive in real life for fear of personal harm and simply develop Internet personas while the post their angst in hiding.


Sadly, once the Fanboy is attached to an argument, he must keep getting the last post in, regardless of his claims or even lack of any proper tact. He will continue to post over and over until all have lost interest and he can at last rest. Posters have been know to entice the Fanboy becuase of the no doubt entertaining flamboyant antics of the Fanboy.

 

Just for the Record, The Z06's are heavily marked up in my Area. Sadly the dealers are getting them too, especially for Yellow/Black/RED Z06's.


It is all opinion which car you prefer. The Z06 is a great car, I prefer the GT3, so did Motor Tread and posted better times with it. C&D preferred the Z06 and posted better times with that. Again I at least had some seat times with both sides here. Both sides argue the Fanboy use of magazines and then quote magazines. I At least quoted a magazine that recorded some hard data.

That fact is everyone here is posting their findings on a MAGAZINE, like you just did above by yet again posting another C&D article. I cannot even fathom the amount of Irony in this thread.

At least Motor Trend measures some important driving parameters and handling characteristics. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that stupid Magazine article as it upset the fanboys something fierce.

I prefer the GT3, I BELIEVE it to be a better track car and certainly a better daily driver.

 

Translation: high psi was owned.

What's funny is that I never remember saying the Z06 was better than anything. You came in and started declaring how good the Porsches are and how bad the Z06 is in comparison (likely because in the OP the Z06's performance crushed the competition and that made you jealous/sad). My guess is that you're a big Porsche fan (fanboy), but that doesn't mean you need to attack all other cars.

When your views were challenged with proper logic, reason and common sense, you reverted to posting up portions of magazine articles and sophomoric name calling/insults.

Just remember - you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

 

I think I'll just keep my $28,000 EVO IX RS and stuff $50,000 into it.

It's much more fun bruising blinged-up egos with something that looks like a rental car.

 

Spoken like a true import enthusiast

 

This thread is ridiculous with all the arguing. The Z06 is the best overall performer for under 100k..period. You don't have to like Americans or American cars, but if you try to deny it is a great performance bargain you are crazy. Many people buy cars for their "performance for the price". Great example is the Evo. It also isn't the best made car when it comes to materials, fit, finish, etc. That's not why people buy it. They buy it because it is a blast to drive/race and is a performance bargain that is easily modded. The same goes for the Corvette and the Z06.
I've driven the C6 Z06 and I LOVED it. I thought it was a well put together car that was well made...especially for the performance it offered at the price.
In my area they also don't sell for over sticker. The are msrp or under.
Real car enthusiasts appreciate all the offerings from every company. You won't see me bashing on certain brands. Different strokes for different fokes. Just be happy we have these cars.

 

Are you this repetitive in real life?

 

Depends on the comprehension level of the person I'm speaking with.

 

 

Are you this repetitive in real life?

 

Hurry up kids.