OK. So what makes you think the next gen EVO won't be an even more of a "pleasant surprise"? Or the new Supra or the new Camaro or RX7? I guess my point is, it seems you wanted to get rid of your VIII because you was tired of it. Period. Noone in their right mind will buy a car every 2-3 years and continue to trade up losing money each time because of it being a "step-up" from the last gen.. (at least not me). I would hope at some point, you would post that you are satisfied with what you have and don't want to spend anymore money to get the next best thing..

 

Not trying to hate, but..

Why is this impressive for the X? I fail to see the logic in the positive reactions to this. I was doing 13.0@105mph with just 274whp on 91oct.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong but IXs were doing low 12s, high 11s with exhaust and tune on pump so mod-for-mod, the X may be making more power, but is performing less (in the 1/4 of course).

 

i got my 06 IX RS for $26400, i got my 04 VIII SSL for $32500 so i dont know ... dont wanna be a dick but that is almost 10 grand different. i think the RS is a preatty good value.

 

did you read that article you posted? second page top
" For about $32,000, you can buy a 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX and smoke that stuffed shirt."

 

[QUOTE=BOOSTEZ;5345050]Not trying to hate, but..

Why is this impressive for the X? I fail to see the logic in the positive reactions to this. I was doing 13.0@105mph with just 274whp on 91oct.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong but IXs were doing low 12s, high 11s with exhaust and tune on pump so mod-for-mod, the X may be making more power, but is performing less (in the 1/4 of course).[/QUOTE
Maybe on the east coast but not the west. I had every bolt on for my ix mr except cams (stock turbo) and I ran a 12.1 at 114mph. Did 89 or 90 in the 1/8th I believe. The X isn't far off. I was on race gas too with the boost controller cranked.

 

If you were on race gas then being on the west coast wouldn't matter. And you should've been much faster as 114mph is good for 11s.

Also consider how much whp the X has. Most 8/9s with that power is at least 0.5 sec faster with faster mph.

 

maybe if I had a 5 speed I would have ran 11s. I had to ride out the 4th where the turbo made no power. There was another Evo 9 mr out there with the same mods but with a carbonetics twin clutch and he ran the same times as me. The difference between the west and east coast is the air density. A lot of east coast tracks have negative density altitude which you won't find here. THAT is the difference. You wanna do a fair comparison then compare 91 octane vs 91 octane and with similiar track conditions.

 

why is it impressive? now i would exactly use the term impressive but it shows the car is at least about as good as the IX. mind you all the numbers haven't come in yet so this is just preliminary. stock vs stock we still don't have consistent numbers. too many variables and each test has large differences in numbers. as for tuned cars, we don't even have preliminary numbers from the big tuners yet. they haven't tested the car yet.

now with that said we all know the car is heavier. to be about as fast as the IX in a straight line while being heavier and being more equipped stock. well that's a win in my book. total package. IMO hot girl with a great body and busted face is just not as good as a pretty girl with cute face and nice body. YMMV.

now this goes for both 0-60 & 1/4-mile and lap times. the overall picture is that the IX is faster 0-60 & 1/4-mile but the X is faster on a track. track layout has a lot to do with things also so nothing is set in stone... we just need better info and more of it...

 

Please keep this conversation about 1/4 mile times as that's what the argument is.

Any car is going to make the same times as another car that's lighter if it has enough whp to overcome the weight factor. That's not the point. My point was, you don't see people getting all excited over the IX for making 11s with the same mods as the X. Yet, no matter what - people are still saying, "Wow. Impressive. Awesome." over the X even when the quarter-times are lackluster for having over 350whp on it. Even Vishnu stated it would be hard to launch the car at the track and yet, people never once commented on it. LOL!

Buschur is about the only tuner out there that's been REAL with people and you see that most X owners don't hang out in his threads much.. Can't we all just be realistic??

 

nope they dont like that. Not to mention the ecu is still not working properly/not tuned yet/ and even Vishnu said :

"Observations:
-The X runs grossly rich under boost. So rich, in fact, that the engine bogs briefly between shifts at WOT. Really annoying.
-Power output is very sensitive to fueling as soon a AFR leans out from the 10-10.5:1 AFR range it usually runs in at full load. And it stays reasonably sensitive to enleanment even into the 12-12.5:1 AFR range. Something that wasn't the case with the 4G63.
-Engine still makes power in the presence of detonation events (which is not good of course). The 4G63 would behave differently by immediately yanking back several degrees of timing and 20-30lbft of torque. Not sure why the ECU in the X isn't as reactive to knock a the older ECUs. One interesting thing I noticed is that the tachometer movement becomes "sticky" when accelerating during audible knock activity. Haven't seen that before."

so when knocking occure in the IX, the ecu reacting to save the engine,when the X ecu is keep ignoring the problem....
You can make crazy numbers with the IX too, if you ignoring factors like that.
So here is your answere why the X makes more whp for mod for mod. And the funny thing is , the difference even with this issue is not that big as it could be...Imagine if the ix wouldn't retard the timing in the same situation.
yeah yeah i know i'm a hater

 

I hope the next Evo is a nice upgrade again. I may not buy it though. I had my VIII for ~5 years, and really had no intentions of giving it up for the X. I have already explained what happened though, so I'm not going to do it again. I never went to the IX, even though that was a faster car, but you can make anything fast, so its just a matter of what the entire package has to offer.

Boostez is right, 114 is plenty for 11's. I ran 11.7 at 115, with a 1.68 60ft on pump (92 octane).

 

cams, 5spd (especially not comparable if you got a 8 tranny)? I didnt gain **** in the back half due to the MR short 4th gear. You cant compare the times. I'm sure I got to the 1/8th faster than you, just the lame tranny and weak turbo at upper rpms killed it in the back half of the track.

 

Its the same turbo that most people get 11s with with your mph. It's not "weak" in the least - probably the most flowing stock turbo of any 4cyl engine.

 

I hear ya bro!

But you are basically saying that you needed a change after 5 years... is that so bad to admit?

I have no doubt in my mind that if I test drove a Porche TT, or SL65AMG or C6Z06, I'd like it better than my EVO.. but I'm not going to try to buy one just because they ride better and have better gadgets. Look, you don't have to explain to me anything. I respect your reasons and congrats on the new purchase!

 

What this is really showing is that the Evo X ECU is operating in a manner that is a lot more like the Subaru ECU's. The reality is the car is responding to the knock by changing the timing table for the next run. A simple analysis would make one think that this is bad, but the reality is the car is constantly trying to improve performance, and its always trying advance timing. This sounds odd, but its how the car works. This is hard to explain, but its easier to understand when you witness the car making adjustments. You will see the car building power pull after pull, then you will get a knock event and that will represent the highest numbers you have seen. Then, on the next pull you have lost 20WHP due to the ECU pulling timing in that entire range. So, the ECU is a lot more reactive then the previous ECU because its constantly making adjustments to try and find the most optimal settings for the car. Its kind of like how on the VIII/IX, when you reset the ECU, you had bad fuel milage for about 30 miles as the car relearned the fueling for your car, except now its way more advanced and includes all aspects of the car. And no, the car doesnt lose its timing maps when you reset the car.

Did I mention I almost cried when I drove away from my baby? And I wouldn't buy just any car, lets not forget I am, after all, a Mitsubishi Fan Boi