Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
Let me get this back on track and clarify what I THINK the OP was trying to say:
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
Let me get this back on track and clarify what I THINK the OP was trying to say:
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
I was alza on there, you had the rsp mr2 with the gt30. sorry for being off-topic.I agree with what you just said, a car that is easier to drive at the limit is going to be a car that average drivers will be faster in (in relation to harder to drive car). This however doesnt mean an average driver in a excellent car is going to beat a excellent driver in an average car.
Hey man...you are the one hanging out in the X forum all day trashing them. I'd would be willing to bet a majority of X owners have previously owned an EVO...and more will follow.
Why did I post that? So that when people open this up it isn't a complete waste. At least there is some humor in here now.
Why did I post that? So that when people open this up it isn't a complete waste. At least there is some humor in here now.
you have a unique humor when comes down to VIII, IX or the X. Wouldn't you agree?
Let me get this back on track and clarify what I THINK the OP was trying to say:
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
Maybe I need to go back to college and take some English classes... 
In any case, no matter what you just said Charles, I'm sure someone from the gung-ho EvoX team will find something negative to say about my post.
Let me get this back on track and clarify what I THINK the OP was trying to say:
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
"However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this[/QUOTE]"
100% true. specially this one.
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WOW!! I was told by the colleague of mine about how obnoxious this BOOSTEZ kid is but after reading just this thread I am beyond words. Almost sounds like I am listening to my 3.5 year old daughter, but she makes so much more sense!
I am trying to figure out what is wrong here and why is he acting this way and several things seem to be happening here. First, there is lots of insecurity in his writing. He is trying to tell all those people who don't listen about how things are and how they should be probably because deeply inside he doesn't get most of them himself!
He said he drives 03 EVO8 which is the model without any electronic support for the drivetrain (except the intercooler sprayer), so he is probably jealous of all newer models with more sophisticated drivetrains. EVO X is the worst of all, since that one has the most of the support.
He is also in best just an average driver and he is hurting here as well. There are lot of things he doesn't know how to do so he has to project that nobody else does it as well. Otherwise, how could he live with him self?? If he had his first DE 2 years ago, where he obviously sucked, even if he was racing his *** off every weekend since then, he would still be just at intermediate level and at best knocking at the advanced door. But, he obviously doesn't have discipline that this kind of effort requires, so those wholes in his driving education are still bugging him big time!
The facts that
engineers make every new EVO better overall then the previous one for over 15 years doesn't mean much to him. Well, maybe they screwed up and made things much worse. But, if they kept everything else the same and just made a chases stiffer and wider as they did, that would make a better handling car. Even with 200 lb extra on the body. Now the additions of the electronic gizmos which are all proven and used for several years already (mainly talking about the SAYC) make things much better compare to the ACD only car and that is another fact that he is constantly ignoring. The addition of the AWC might be a questionable thing, but in the worst case you can turn it OFF if you don't like it. So, you have to be pretty stupid or/and very ignorant to miss to see these facts. Combined to the test drive from so many individuals and magazines out there, just makes it even harder.
And finally in this thread he is trying to get to those new EVO X owners who have no clue what they are talking about. But, he still does it in the way to put EVO X down for his own satisfaction. Just the fact that he is trying to be the one to tell those less experienced and with their noses up all the way about the way things are is OK thing to do here and there. But, to do it all and all over again makes you to be the same as those that you aim at.
Oh well, I just had to write this with a wondering what do you guys think how far this is off for the young BOOSTEZ out there?
Fedja
I am trying to figure out what is wrong here and why is he acting this way and several things seem to be happening here. First, there is lots of insecurity in his writing. He is trying to tell all those people who don't listen about how things are and how they should be probably because deeply inside he doesn't get most of them himself!
He said he drives 03 EVO8 which is the model without any electronic support for the drivetrain (except the intercooler sprayer), so he is probably jealous of all newer models with more sophisticated drivetrains. EVO X is the worst of all, since that one has the most of the support.
He is also in best just an average driver and he is hurting here as well. There are lot of things he doesn't know how to do so he has to project that nobody else does it as well. Otherwise, how could he live with him self?? If he had his first DE 2 years ago, where he obviously sucked, even if he was racing his *** off every weekend since then, he would still be just at intermediate level and at best knocking at the advanced door. But, he obviously doesn't have discipline that this kind of effort requires, so those wholes in his driving education are still bugging him big time!
The facts that
engineers make every new EVO better overall then the previous one for over 15 years doesn't mean much to him. Well, maybe they screwed up and made things much worse. But, if they kept everything else the same and just made a chases stiffer and wider as they did, that would make a better handling car. Even with 200 lb extra on the body. Now the additions of the electronic gizmos which are all proven and used for several years already (mainly talking about the SAYC) make things much better compare to the ACD only car and that is another fact that he is constantly ignoring. The addition of the AWC might be a questionable thing, but in the worst case you can turn it OFF if you don't like it. So, you have to be pretty stupid or/and very ignorant to miss to see these facts. Combined to the test drive from so many individuals and magazines out there, just makes it even harder.And finally in this thread he is trying to get to those new EVO X owners who have no clue what they are talking about. But, he still does it in the way to put EVO X down for his own satisfaction. Just the fact that he is trying to be the one to tell those less experienced and with their noses up all the way about the way things are is OK thing to do here and there. But, to do it all and all over again makes you to be the same as those that you aim at.
Oh well, I just had to write this with a wondering what do you guys think how far this is off for the young BOOSTEZ out there?
Fedja
WOW!! I was told by the colleague of mine about how obnoxious this BOOSTEZ kid is but after reading just this thread I am beyond words. Almost sounds like I am listening to my 3.5 year old daughter, but she makes so much more sense!
I am trying to figure out what is wrong here and why is he acting this way and several things seem to be happening here. First, there is lots of insecurity in his writing. He is trying to tell all those people who don't listen about how things are and how they should be probably because deeply inside he doesn't get most of them himself!
He said he drives 03 EVO8 which is the model without any electronic support for the drivetrain (except the intercooler sprayer), so he is probably jealous of all newer models with more sophisticated drivetrains. EVO X is the worst of all, since that one has the most of the support.
He is also in best just an average driver and he is hurting here as well. There are lot of things he doesn't know how to do so he has to project that nobody else does it as well. Otherwise, how could he live with him self?? If he had his first DE 2 years ago, where he obviously sucked, even if he was racing his *** off every weekend since then, he would still be just at intermediate level and at best knocking at the advanced door. But, he obviously doesn't have discipline that this kind of effort requires, so those wholes in his driving education are still bugging him big time!
The facts that engineers make every new EVO better overall then the previous one for over 15 years doesn't mean much to him. Well, maybe they screwed up and made things much worse. But, if they kept everything else the same and just made a chases stiffer and wider as they did, that would make a better handling car. Even with 200 lb extra on the body. Now the additions of the electronic gizmos which are all proven and used for several years already (mainly talking about the SAYC) make things much better compare to the ACD only car and that is another fact that he is constantly ignoring. The addition of the AWC might be a questionable thing, but in the worst case you can turn it OFF if you don't like it. So, you have to be pretty stupid or/and very ignorant to miss to see these facts. Combined to the test drive from so many individuals and magazines out there, just makes it even harder.
And finally in this thread he is trying to get to those new EVO X owners who have no clue what they are talking about. But, he still does it in the way to put EVO X down for his own satisfaction. Just the fact that he is trying to be the one to tell those less experienced and with their noses up all the way about the way things are is OK thing to do here and there. But, to do it all and all over again makes you to be the same as those that you aim at.
Oh well, I just had to write this with a wondering what do you guys think how far this is off for the young BOOSTEZ out there?
Fedja
I am trying to figure out what is wrong here and why is he acting this way and several things seem to be happening here. First, there is lots of insecurity in his writing. He is trying to tell all those people who don't listen about how things are and how they should be probably because deeply inside he doesn't get most of them himself!
He said he drives 03 EVO8 which is the model without any electronic support for the drivetrain (except the intercooler sprayer), so he is probably jealous of all newer models with more sophisticated drivetrains. EVO X is the worst of all, since that one has the most of the support.
He is also in best just an average driver and he is hurting here as well. There are lot of things he doesn't know how to do so he has to project that nobody else does it as well. Otherwise, how could he live with him self?? If he had his first DE 2 years ago, where he obviously sucked, even if he was racing his *** off every weekend since then, he would still be just at intermediate level and at best knocking at the advanced door. But, he obviously doesn't have discipline that this kind of effort requires, so those wholes in his driving education are still bugging him big time!
The facts that
engineers make every new EVO better overall then the previous one for over 15 years doesn't mean much to him. Well, maybe they screwed up and made things much worse. But, if they kept everything else the same and just made a chases stiffer and wider as they did, that would make a better handling car. Even with 200 lb extra on the body. Now the additions of the electronic gizmos which are all proven and used for several years already (mainly talking about the SAYC) make things much better compare to the ACD only car and that is another fact that he is constantly ignoring. The addition of the AWC might be a questionable thing, but in the worst case you can turn it OFF if you don't like it. So, you have to be pretty stupid or/and very ignorant to miss to see these facts. Combined to the test drive from so many individuals and magazines out there, just makes it even harder.And finally in this thread he is trying to get to those new EVO X owners who have no clue what they are talking about. But, he still does it in the way to put EVO X down for his own satisfaction. Just the fact that he is trying to be the one to tell those less experienced and with their noses up all the way about the way things are is OK thing to do here and there. But, to do it all and all over again makes you to be the same as those that you aim at.
Oh well, I just had to write this with a wondering what do you guys think how far this is off for the young BOOSTEZ out there?
Fedja
Stick to teaching your 3.5 year old daughter, you're better at understanding her than you WANT to with me...
Originally Posted by CharlesJ
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
Let me get this back on track and clarify what I THINK the OP was trying to say:
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
The point is not that the X (or any other evo) is not that great, slower than a 90s BMW, or anyway saying bad things about it. The point is that if you take your car to the track without experience, you may find that the car is not enough to make you fast. That you lack of experience may lead you to be slower that cars you would not normally expect to be slower than. And yes, if you are not great, a 90s BMW, miata, or s2k could easily get you
This of course wont be true for everyone, but skill and experience make such a huge difference on track.
However, I will say I disagree somewhat with the later point the OP made about going back to basics with a RWD car....especially an MR2 (I have owned 2). You dont need to do this to learn to be fast, nor is what you learn in an MR2 going to directly translate to an evo. Now if you can learn to be fast in an mr2, which is a hard car to drive fast, than you stand a greater chance of learning to drive an evo fast. That said, and evo, especially an X , is a very easy car to learn and drive at the limit. The fancy electronics and improved chassis play a significant role in this
Have you not noticed how many posts people such as RobEvo RS and Boostez have in these forums? More than any of the X owners and they claim they don't even want t a X. What you think he is trying to say is, sadly, misconceived.
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No, if you read any of his other posts it's just another veiled attempt at putting the X down. He doesn't like it so he jumps up and down to let us all know he doesn't like it. Now, he's being a little more discreet about his hatred towards the X but it seems the only person he's fooling with it is you.
Have you not noticed how many posts people such as RobEvo RS and Boostez have in these forums? More than any of the X owners and they claim they don't even want t a X. What you think he is trying to say is, sadly, misconceived.
Have you not noticed how many posts people such as RobEvo RS and Boostez have in these forums? More than any of the X owners and they claim they don't even want t a X. What you think he is trying to say is, sadly, misconceived.
No, if you read any of his other posts it's just another veiled attempt at putting the X down. He doesn't like it so he jumps up and down to let us all know he doesn't like it. Now, he's being a little more discreet about his hatred towards the X but it seems the only person he's fooling with it is you.
Have you not noticed how many posts people such as RobEvo RS and Boostez have in these forums? More than any of the X owners and they claim they don't even want t a X. What you think he is trying to say is, sadly, misconceived.
Have you not noticed how many posts people such as RobEvo RS and Boostez have in these forums? More than any of the X owners and they claim they don't even want t a X. What you think he is trying to say is, sadly, misconceived.
I want to learn more about it , since i like to know what i get. And the standard is preatty high for the X.
Why you picked me? Did i hurt you ?
Just read the first post and I had a completely different experience than you on my first track day at the Pocono track.
But after reading yours, I think I probably knew a lot more than you about racing dynamics/physics or you just had some very advanced newbs because I was spanking everybody in the turns - m3s, STis, C6 400hp corvettes, older M5 and other cars I would never take if they had a good driver. The only place they caught up and went by was on the straits since Evo ran out of steam at 110mph.
And my car had a stock suspension geometry which SUCKED and it was pushing like crazy especially when I had a quick transition from left to right on two turns (tunnel turn infield for those who know).
That said, newb drivers in the Evo X with sawc should be mean ***** considering they know at least a little bit about how to take a turn.
But after reading yours, I think I probably knew a lot more than you about racing dynamics/physics or you just had some very advanced newbs because I was spanking everybody in the turns - m3s, STis, C6 400hp corvettes, older M5 and other cars I would never take if they had a good driver. The only place they caught up and went by was on the straits since Evo ran out of steam at 110mph.
And my car had a stock suspension geometry which SUCKED and it was pushing like crazy especially when I had a quick transition from left to right on two turns (tunnel turn infield for those who know).
That said, newb drivers in the Evo X with sawc should be mean ***** considering they know at least a little bit about how to take a turn.
What I got from the first post is that you were an awful driver and the car was not enough to make up for it. At my first DE I passed every other car in my run group. Most of those other cars were Boxsters, 996s, 997s, and one 911 Turbo. The Evo will not make an awful driver look like Mario Andretti, but that awful driver will most likely be faster in the Evo than he would be in any of those other cars that passed you. Fact is, this car will make a novice faster around the track as it is easier to drive than a high-HP RWD sportscar. This is especially true of the X with all the electronic gadgets that help keep the car on line.
I agree the OP should not have posted this here being he is not driving an X. It is a bit odd and should probably be putting this in motorsports as a general comment about any car.
The evo X, or any JDM evo with AYC is actually easier to get around faster than the non AYC cars. This is not to say the the AYC cars are inherently faster, just easier to drive. The OP should be directing it to all that have fast cars.
Also, the X vs non X thing is getting old. Both are great cars and I would gladly have any of them. Given the option, I would take a 6.5TME, evo 9 MR, AND evo X MR. On any given day, anyone of those good by the fastest, and anyone of those could get beat by a really skilled driver in a miata
The evo X, or any JDM evo with AYC is actually easier to get around faster than the non AYC cars. This is not to say the the AYC cars are inherently faster, just easier to drive. The OP should be directing it to all that have fast cars.
Also, the X vs non X thing is getting old. Both are great cars and I would gladly have any of them. Given the option, I would take a 6.5TME, evo 9 MR, AND evo X MR. On any given day, anyone of those good by the fastest, and anyone of those could get beat by a really skilled driver in a miata