Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
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From: ATLANTA
Evo X assumptions on a road course..
All:
A lot of newbie X owners have this misconception that because the car handles excellently in a slalom that they will be able to PWN every car on the road course if/when they ever attend one. I just want to tell those guys a little story:
I had the opportunity to attend an all-day track course at Streets of Willow in LA 2 years ago. This was going to be my first experience driving on a road course. I was excited to lay the smackdown on the other cars that would attend. I had some friends that had S2000s, 240SXs, Elises, M3s, 996s, RX8s, and even older non-turbo RX7s. I thought "It was going to be lovely flying past these cats because most of them didn't have AWD!!!"
I had lowered my car, put on an adjustable anti-sway bar, got MR rims, RT-615 tires and a wheel alignment. I thought I was ready..
Got to the track and attended the classroom session. I eagerly waited for the instructor to give out all the safety rules, and we were off to start our first pass.
I got in my car, and started the roll along coast to get on the track. Punching it when the lane was clear, I quickly tried to catch people. It wasn't until I was putting my hand out for almost EVERY car to pass me that I realized that the EVO isn't so badass like I thought. I came in assuming that I needed very little driving skill and that the EVO's handling would correct all my mistakes and keep me on the road. Sadly, that was NOT the case.
I came from that all day course hating road racing. I got spanked by most of the newbies out there with the same skill level and hardly ANY of them had the sophisticated setup that I had. The 996 totally destroyed me and the Elise (my friend who had NEVER been at a RR before), non-turbo RX7, S2000 and BMW M3 completely destroyed me around turns too. In fact, the ONLY car out there that hit the dirt was ANOTHER EVO!!
I am sharing all this because I know some newbie evo X owners will think they have the baddest handling car on the market. Trust me, drivers with the older RWD cars can OWN you WITH your AYC, ASC, and AWD!
I plan to revisit this road racing experience, but this time I want to go back to traditional roots and LEARN to drive RWD.. I'll use my MR2 as a test bed.
In closing - "A car is only as fast as it's driver....."
-M
A lot of newbie X owners have this misconception that because the car handles excellently in a slalom that they will be able to PWN every car on the road course if/when they ever attend one. I just want to tell those guys a little story:
I had the opportunity to attend an all-day track course at Streets of Willow in LA 2 years ago. This was going to be my first experience driving on a road course. I was excited to lay the smackdown on the other cars that would attend. I had some friends that had S2000s, 240SXs, Elises, M3s, 996s, RX8s, and even older non-turbo RX7s. I thought "It was going to be lovely flying past these cats because most of them didn't have AWD!!!"
I had lowered my car, put on an adjustable anti-sway bar, got MR rims, RT-615 tires and a wheel alignment. I thought I was ready..
Got to the track and attended the classroom session. I eagerly waited for the instructor to give out all the safety rules, and we were off to start our first pass.
I got in my car, and started the roll along coast to get on the track. Punching it when the lane was clear, I quickly tried to catch people. It wasn't until I was putting my hand out for almost EVERY car to pass me that I realized that the EVO isn't so badass like I thought. I came in assuming that I needed very little driving skill and that the EVO's handling would correct all my mistakes and keep me on the road. Sadly, that was NOT the case.
I came from that all day course hating road racing. I got spanked by most of the newbies out there with the same skill level and hardly ANY of them had the sophisticated setup that I had. The 996 totally destroyed me and the Elise (my friend who had NEVER been at a RR before), non-turbo RX7, S2000 and BMW M3 completely destroyed me around turns too. In fact, the ONLY car out there that hit the dirt was ANOTHER EVO!!
I am sharing all this because I know some newbie evo X owners will think they have the baddest handling car on the market. Trust me, drivers with the older RWD cars can OWN you WITH your AYC, ASC, and AWD!
I plan to revisit this road racing experience, but this time I want to go back to traditional roots and LEARN to drive RWD.. I'll use my MR2 as a test bed.
In closing - "A car is only as fast as it's driver....."
-M
It may very well be able to correct some mistakes. But I can guarantee the early adopters won't be the fastest in a random event - AutoX or RR.
That was a very long-winded way of saying that there is no substitute for seat time. I don't really see why this needed to be applied to the X any more or less than any other car on the planet.
BTW, the MR2 sucks at handling without heavy suspension mods. I had a MR2 for about 3 years 
What i've seen among all magazine reviews is the X is a much easier car to drive than the previous two generations. A ****ty driver is always going to be a ****ty driver, but wouldn't you rather be a ****ty driver with a car that corrects a lot of your mistakes, rather than one that does nothing? Which one do you think the ****ty driver would be faster in?
What i've seen among all magazine reviews is the X is a much easier car to drive than the previous two generations. A ****ty driver is always going to be a ****ty driver, but wouldn't you rather be a ****ty driver with a car that corrects a lot of your mistakes, rather than one that does nothing? Which one do you think the ****ty driver would be faster in?
Of course they won't... they won't know how to properly turn around apexes or when to start a straight line. But, S-AWC will help on long sweeping turns. I do agree BOOSTEZ.
First off..
All:
A lot of newbie X owners have this misconception that because the car handles excellently in a slalom that they will be able to PWN every car on the road course if/when they ever attend one. I just want to tell those guys a little story:
I had the opportunity to attend an all-day track course at Streets of Willow in LA 2 years ago. This was going to be my first experience driving on a road course. I was excited to lay the smackdown on the other cars that would attend. I had some friends that had S2000s, 240SXs, Elises, M3s, 996s, RX8s, and even older non-turbo RX7s. I thought "It was going to be lovely flying past these cats because most of them didn't have AWD!!!"
I had lowered my car, put on an adjustable anti-sway bar, got MR rims, RT-615 tires and a wheel alignment. I thought I was ready..
Got to the track and attended the classroom session. I eagerly waited for the instructor to give out all the safety rules, and we were off to start our first pass.
I got in my car, and started the roll along coast to get on the track. Punching it when the lane was clear, I quickly tried to catch people. It wasn't until I was putting my hand out for almost EVERY car to pass me that I realized that the EVO isn't so badass like I thought. I came in assuming that I needed very little driving skill and that the EVO's handling would correct all my mistakes and keep me on the road. Sadly, that was NOT the case.
I came from that all day course hating road racing. I got spanked by most of the newbies out there with the same skill level and hardly ANY of them had the sophisticated setup that I had. The 996 totally destroyed me and the Elise (my friend who had NEVER been at a RR before), non-turbo RX7, S2000 and BMW M3 completely destroyed me around turns too. In fact, the ONLY car out there that hit the dirt was ANOTHER EVO!!
I am sharing all this because I know some newbie evo X owners will think they have the baddest handling car on the market. Trust me, drivers with the older RWD cars can OWN you WITH your AYC, ASC, and AWD!
I plan to revisit this road racing experience, but this time I want to go back to traditional roots and LEARN to drive RWD.. I'll use my MR2 as a test bed.
In closing - "A car is only as fast as it's driver....."
-M
A lot of newbie X owners have this misconception that because the car handles excellently in a slalom that they will be able to PWN every car on the road course if/when they ever attend one. I just want to tell those guys a little story:
I had the opportunity to attend an all-day track course at Streets of Willow in LA 2 years ago. This was going to be my first experience driving on a road course. I was excited to lay the smackdown on the other cars that would attend. I had some friends that had S2000s, 240SXs, Elises, M3s, 996s, RX8s, and even older non-turbo RX7s. I thought "It was going to be lovely flying past these cats because most of them didn't have AWD!!!"
I had lowered my car, put on an adjustable anti-sway bar, got MR rims, RT-615 tires and a wheel alignment. I thought I was ready..
Got to the track and attended the classroom session. I eagerly waited for the instructor to give out all the safety rules, and we were off to start our first pass.
I got in my car, and started the roll along coast to get on the track. Punching it when the lane was clear, I quickly tried to catch people. It wasn't until I was putting my hand out for almost EVERY car to pass me that I realized that the EVO isn't so badass like I thought. I came in assuming that I needed very little driving skill and that the EVO's handling would correct all my mistakes and keep me on the road. Sadly, that was NOT the case.
I came from that all day course hating road racing. I got spanked by most of the newbies out there with the same skill level and hardly ANY of them had the sophisticated setup that I had. The 996 totally destroyed me and the Elise (my friend who had NEVER been at a RR before), non-turbo RX7, S2000 and BMW M3 completely destroyed me around turns too. In fact, the ONLY car out there that hit the dirt was ANOTHER EVO!!
I am sharing all this because I know some newbie evo X owners will think they have the baddest handling car on the market. Trust me, drivers with the older RWD cars can OWN you WITH your AYC, ASC, and AWD!
I plan to revisit this road racing experience, but this time I want to go back to traditional roots and LEARN to drive RWD.. I'll use my MR2 as a test bed.
In closing - "A car is only as fast as it's driver....."
-M
I see why you doing it , but you just will make them more fanboi.
I had experience with Turbo 911 at Lime Rock CT. the guy had a full caged, slicks, track ready car, So he told me/ since i was a newbie on this event/ Make sure i will chek my mirrors. / i had the RS 350 whp and stock otherwise with the Toyo T1R with utqg rating 280/
the and of the day : he runned 1.26.21, and i did : 1.04.46...
he wouldn't talk to me antymore...
If anybody is interested in racing around anything should take notes from this -->
http://youtube.com/watch?v=roCFoKaUf1A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=roCFoKaUf1A
That's easy enough!
Actually no. I'd rather get good at driving first THEN use my experience to propel the newer tech to new heights!
What i've seen among all magazine reviews is the X is a much easier car to drive than the previous two generations. A ****ty driver is always going to be a ****ty driver, but wouldn't you rather be a ****ty driver with a car that corrects a lot of your mistakes, rather than one that does nothing? Which one do you think the ****ty driver would be faster in?
Last edited by BOOSTEZ; Mar 7, 2008 at 09:19 AM.
Times infinity! Nobody is stupid enough to think a n00b can go out there and be fast. If you don't have the driver mod, don't bother. In the same token, its lame when an average driver in an econobox says he smoked a Viper when the Viper driver is clearly at his first event.