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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 05:11 AM
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Well.. I have been looking for a replacement to my Evo 9 MR for 3 years with no luck.

Only thing I can think of right now is a GT3....

Wait... how about a BMW 135 I6 turbo... anyone who owns one of these?
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 400s
Well.. I have been looking for a replacement to my Evo 9 MR for 3 years with no luck.

Only thing I can think of right now is a GT3....

Wait... how about a BMW 135 I6 turbo... anyone who owns one of these?
I tracked a GT3 and that thing is amazing... so I can agree, but I don’t have nearly enough coin for that.I rarely see the 135s anymore, but I remember them having issues with the factory oil cooler or something like that.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 11:41 AM
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No independent track person uses ceramics. So again, what are the big expensive maintenance bits conpared to an evo?
in reality (I was half joking..) just tires on a regular bassis... however, once you need any major engine work you are hit with really big bills. Also, any aftermarket parts do carry porsche tax. There is additional element of some people not wanting to use those cars because of fear of depreciation..
I have a couple of GT3s around, and the most valuable one (4.0 997) was initially used in amateur racing, just to be mothballed as the value has skyrocketed.
Other two 997.2 gt3 and 991.1 gt3 are used on regular bassis on Nurburgring and other tracks, and while the 991 is still ok, the 997 went trough an engine rebuild, and that is a large bill indeed..

all in all, if you can easily afford a gt3 you can keep it on the track, but the expense when compared to an evo will be greater overall..

I will agree that I can not find an interesting car to replace my evo, esp in the same price class. I was mighty impressed by 991 turbo S, but that thing is mega $$$$ and on a bumpy B road, or snow it is inferior to an evo. Otherwise it is a rocketship.
For guys looking for a track car I would suggest something road oriented for DD and a trailer with a dedicated track car.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 400s
Well.. I have been looking for a replacement to my Evo 9 MR for 3 years with no luck.

Only thing I can think of right now is a GT3....

Wait... how about a BMW 135 I6 turbo... anyone who owns one of these?
I drove a 1M and 135, both on and off the track... 1M is a riot if you can buy one, 135 is a realy nice road car but needs a real limited slip diff...
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 11:45 AM
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M2 is supposedly better than a 1M.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
in reality (I was half joking..) just tires on a regular bassis... however, once you need any major engine work you are hit with really big bills. Also, any aftermarket parts do carry porsche tax. There is additional element of some people not wanting to use those cars because of fear of depreciation..
I have a couple of GT3s around, and the most valuable one (4.0 997) was initially used in amateur racing, just to be mothballed as the value has skyrocketed.
Other two 997.2 gt3 and 991.1 gt3 are used on regular bassis on Nurburgring and other tracks, and while the 991 is still ok, the 997 went trough an engine rebuild, and that is a large bill indeed..

all in all, if you can easily afford a gt3 you can keep it on the track, but the expense when compared to an evo will be greater overall..
So, you still have yet to tell me how it's more expensive than an Evo to track maintenance wise, lol.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 12:07 PM
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Even if a Porsche GT3 is more expensive to track, it's a better track car stock to stock. A modified Evo can be just as fast, but then it's modified and the same rules apply - a modified Evo is a less reliable and less livable Evo.

The whole depreciation argument is hilarious. So it's a bad thing that Porsches hold their value while Evos are getting cheap enough for teenagers?

People are comparing completely different classes of cars.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 12:20 PM
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Just for reference, the Evo 8 cost $33k in 2003. In November 2017 dollars, that's $44k...
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 01:09 PM
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So, you still have yet to tell me how it's more expensive than an Evo to track maintenance wise, lol.

set of tires is 1700 USD, engine rebuild is 20K+ how does that compare.. ?
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01

The whole depreciation argument is hilarious. So it's a bad thing that Porsches hold their value while Evos are getting cheap enough for teenagers?

People are comparing completely different classes of cars.
my point is that by tracking a 150K porsche you are making a bigger absolute dent in its value than by doing the same to a 45K EVO... that is all.. If you were lucky to own a rare gt car, that is now 250+ K you tend to think about tracking it again..

These cars are great and super fast out of the box... but I find the argument that they cost the same to track as an evo really funny..
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Just for reference, the Evo 8 cost $33k in 2003. In November 2017 dollars, that's $44k...
GT3s are 145K, RS is 300, and you will be lucky to get an allocation at sticker...
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
set of tires is 1700 USD, engine rebuild is 20K+ how does that compare.. ?
I'll ignore the engine build since that doesn't fall under "maintenance"

If we do a 1:1 on the tire makes and OEM sizes:

Porsche GT3
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
245/35/20 x2
305/30/20 x2
$1700

Evo 10
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
245/40/18 x4
$1200
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
set of tires is 1700 USD, engine rebuild is 20K+ how does that compare.. ?
How often are tires used and how likely is that you'll need an engine rebuild?
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
GT3s are 145K, RS is 300, and you will be lucky to get an allocation at sticker...
That post was for someone like 2 pages ago saying that "comparable' cars are over $40k these days, making them "more expensive" than the Evo. When really, our currency is just worth less.
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Old Jan 4, 2018 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
That post was for someone like 2 pages ago saying that "comparable' cars are over $40k these days, making them "more expensive" than the Evo. When really, our currency is just worth less.
ok, ok, I am not contradicting you, just comparing the overall cost to gt3...
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