Whatever. Evos aren't going to evaporate just because Mitsu stops making them. I'd rather buy a used Mitsu over a new Subaru. Subaru comes out with a new car and still can't beat a car that is essentially unchanged since 2007. What a joke. If they do stop making Evos, they will still make something sporting, it is only a matter of time. If they take a year or two off to do it - I can wait, even if it turns out to be some 2 door hybrid thing - or not. Plenty of Evos still around.

 

People seem to assume that Subaru's sole goal is to "beat" Mitsubishi at the track.

 

I'm talking about the WRX/STI specifically. I don't give a flip about how many Outbacks and Foresters they sell. That's the first thing a Subaru fanboi starts talking about when an Evo beats the brakes off a STi. "Yeah, well our dealerships sell more cars."

 

Did I say any of that? Nice attempt at a strawman argument. There's more to a car than its lap time. The Evo is a great performer, but it's far from the perfect car. Both cars, the WRX/STI and the Evo, have their pros and cons. It's ridiculous to say "well the Evo is faster under racing conditions, therefore it's the best" just like it's ridiculous to say "the STI has more trunk space, therefore it's the best".

Edit: If that's the argument you want to stick to, by your logic, the Camaro Z28 is a better car than the GTR and 911 Turbo S because it's faster at the track.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._r_comparison/

 

You didn't have to. In fact, you really didn't say anything worth responding to. You just made an indirect passive aggressive response to my post. I should've said "I didn't say Subaru's "sole" goal is to beat Mitsu at the track." But I took your bait and you respond accordingly like you always do. Back track and misdirection. Strawman indeed.


I just finished watching that Subaru fanboi's youtube videos. He had to admit the Mitsu was a better track car. He just couldn't help it. But before that he had to give his two cents about how the car wasn't really worth the 40 grand as he gave his critique of the interior and the lack of telescoping wheel. He gave no critique of the Subie, so we must assume it is perfect. Then he summed it up with saying it was "hard to make an argument for (the Evo.) unless used as a pure track toy." What a joke. Subaru guys are so convinced they are driving something so special and so nice and so well put together, its funny watching them trying to cover for the fact they drive a slower, worse engineered vehicle. The cheap plastic inside a Subaru is no better then the cheap plastic inside a Mitsubishi except the latter moves faster and is perfectly capable of being a daily driver. He was pretty chatty while driving the Subie because he was so happy they had improved on it. Then he was all serious, all business in driving the Evo because he was all about pushing the limit in a better car that demanded all his attention. That's right.

 

What the hell are you even talking about? You implied I said something, that I didn't, now you're claiming I'm backtracking because I deny saying something I didn't. A classic strawman argument.

I love how you refer to him as a fanboy, yet all you're doing is saying the Mitsubishi is the better car because of it's track performance. Jesus.

 

So --- Is scooby going to call it the STevo?

 

Is that like one of those "Yo Dawg" memes? We put a strawman in yo strawman? You sound confused and like you don't understand what you are even talking about.


The subject of the videos WAS track performance, genius. There's nothing else he evaluated except when he decided to take shots at Mitsu's steering wheel and options sheet. He didn't do a complete walkaround of either car. That may fly for people like you but it shows me the guy is biased against Mitsu going in and only wanted to critique it for dumb arbitrary **** like most Subaru guys do when they lose. While doing hot laps at a race track all that matters is track time and that's all that can be evaluated. I know my Evo is better then a STi for hundreds of other reasons. Would you like to hear why?

 

I agree the reviewer was acting fanboi, and commented how he missed his old car. But I LOVED when he was church mouse quiet driving the X, then was like "Well, I spoke too soon." IMO, he totally redeems himself by being honest. After all, he just gives his opinions. . I rather enjoyed the videos.

 

Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about when I stated that your attempt to attribute an argument to me that I did not make was a strawman argument .

The video was a review of the two cars. Don't try to turn it into some kind of objective test. You still haven't addressed whether you believe, using your own logic, that the Camaro Z28 is a better car than the Porsche 911 or the Nissan GTR, and presumably the Evo. You cannot seriously try to claim that your comments were purely about track performance and you weren't trying to make a far more generalized statement about the two cars.

I really don't care why you like your Evo because it's none of my concern. You are just as much a fanboy as you accuse anyone that like Subaru of being. It's clear you just plain don't like Subaru. You haven't driven the car in question, yet you dismiss it outright simply because it's a Subaru. No, you're not a Mitsubishi fanboy at all...

 

you can always spot a fanboy by the guy claiming everyone else is a fanboy...

 

My thoughts exactly. All cars have their pros and cons, and at the end of the day, it will always boil down to personal preferences.

 

i was honestly on the market for the new STI, and i ended up with an Evo again... am i a fan boy when i saw the interior of the STI has a lot lesser driver seat, very Nintendo like Navigation, not as good sound system as the Evo? Looked the engine and it is an old design, i never thought a good designed 2.5 liter engine, or the lesser AWD system? these thing aren't changed in the new STI... Maybe if they would have a new 2.0l in it with different bolt ons and tune to make a difference between the WRX and the STI set up...

Now they claim they body is in pair with the Evo... that is what they did all along the past 15 + years... Whats new there? suspension is a same set up basically some tweaks in it.
Based on the video and a grin end of the evo part, on the guy face, just show how much better the evo feels even for a guy who really want to show how much better the new sti is...
That moment speaks for self alone.
still under steers doesn't matter what they say, in gravel doesnt seems as confident as the Evo still for me.

here just skip the STI part, and for comparison look the old evo on gravel good looks confident ! Start watching from 2.20 minutes


I like actually the new body style, but i dont like the new wing extension under they wing. Looks very unthoughtful. I like the folding rear seats, but in my history i would never use it.

So for me even side by side comparison the Evo looks and performs better. Responds better for mods ( we all know since the same old 2.5l STI engine) etc.

So for me it is more like a look upgrade then anything the new STI , and i like that look. But still lacking to be as agile and fast as an evo. That was my train of thoughts when i had to decide between the two.

Also the final push was , i know a lot about Evo and have a lots experience with them/ spare parts etc.

So the STI couldn't offer an honest and competitive edge to switch, even when i was qualified for a VIP buyer program for the STI which is a pretty damn good deal ,if you know what i mean....

 

Based on the fact you have a 2014 Evo, I'm guessing you compared it to the old 2014 STI? The new car is something of a new beast. I agree that the continued use of the old engine is a serious impediment to the car, and I have no idea why the **** Subaru didn't wait to release the revised STI when it had a revised engine to match.

 

i am talking about the 2015 sti...
they basically stiffen a **** out of the 2015 sti and looks good on track /paper by time, because it is a smooth track surface , but i am not sure as a DD as good as it was before... If you look up the numbers etc. stiffer sway bars, springs , bushings. These are all effecting dd . Just look at it, like a lowerd Honda. Bouncing up and down.
So i wouldn't be surprised even if the GSR has a same ride quality now. Never mind the MR.... And still the Evo is faster. So now that is not even impossible the EVo is a smoother ride , not like before on public streets.
there is soo much behind this storys and hypes.