You drove one of the 2015s? I've heard reviewers say the same thing, some have referred to it as being "Evo stiff". I'm not sure what you're referring to with the last sentence. All I've seen are reviews that say it's a marked improvement over the old model. I don't think it should be viewed as anything else. Some people like Subarus, some people like Mitsubishis, simply acknowledging that the Subaru is nice doesn't detract from the Evo.

 

no they didnt let me
But if you know how the STI drove before and add all the numbers, plus just looking the video i showed you and marked where soo they show how the STI rides on road, doesn't need too much explanation after. Yes they did a 40% stiffer chassis, just imagine the older STI then... And all the new addition - amount of stiffness.

I think one segment defenitely pair or beat the EVO on public road , is being harsher or a same hars. So that argument is goes out the window to being more friendly on street. And in fact the evo has more low end tq now also due the new tune, if i am right there.

As i said i like the new body style better then the old STI and i think there is an improvement all around the car . I dont know the ride on street yet so i left that out and optimistically think they didnt screw it up and has worst ride then an EVo.

So new STI is nice and all , but still Evo wins for a same price.

 

oh to being too much hype and so.

I meant the new Evo like handling and better etc.

I think so far from the reviews and what i see, they sacrifice things to beat the evo . Which is not a good thing,like a smoother ride, personally that was one reason i was look into the new 2015 STI before i got my Evo. They shouldn't make the DD ride stiffer, just to gain some sec on track when they still cant catch the Evo. That was one of the major point to get an STI vs the Evo, the smoother dd ride. Now looks like they ended up a same harsh ride or harsher, but lesser performance on track still for an example.
So the numbers alone would not tell the whole story.

 

OK, but that's my point. You haven't driven the car, so how can you really comment on it? You can't assess the subjective aspects of a car by "looking at the numbers". You yourself acknowledge that:

I'm not sure if the Evo has more low-end torque. The Evo also has a 5-speed, if we're talking true manuals, while the STI has a 6-speed. Each car has unique characteristics that can go both ways.

I don't think either car a clear winner. There are things about the STI I like, and things about the Evo I like. There are things about the STI I hate, and things about the Evo I hate. People need to drive both and decide for themselves what they want.

Car manufacturers are always in a catch 22. If Subaru had left the STI alone, people would ***** that it's not edgy or extreme enough. Now that they've changed it to be just that, people are *****ing that it's too dissimilar from the old model, that these same people *****ed about. Here, you're saying you don't like the fact they tried to make it better at the track, while others have suggested that track performance is what matters.

 

some cases , yes you can. When you drove the older sti (2013 for example) and you see the stiffness gain all around the car even in bushings , and you have an experience with suspension and ride quality with different set ups, you have a very easy thing to assume things.

Specially when EVERY one who drove the car, and expert in testing, say it too. You can pretty much safely assume things.

for me was a clear winner the Evo, and more and more we know about the 2015, makes me happier and happier with my choice.

you can call me a fanboi , if you want but there wasn't ANY aspect in the new STI which would be better for me over the EVo. So for me was very clear after i really look into the 2015 STI.

Maybe time will prove me wrong. will see.

 

this is a 2008 Evo X GSR dyno sheet , 6 years old Evo with a lots of glitches as we know

 

In this case, you can't. Subaru changed more than just spring rates. The steering was overhauled as well. You cannot act like you have experience with the car that is described as a significant change over past models based on your experience with a past model. Assumptions are no replacement for first-hand experience.

I do not think the Evo is the clear winner. Frankly, I wouldn't buy either.

 

based on my bolt on evo (recently sold) and my sister's bolt on sti, the sti has more low end torque... sti is definitly the better car to drive around town in if you're not raping it every chance you get (like I usually do )

 

Different dynos, dude. You can't compare them. That's just bad science.

 

this is newer model base line

 

that is a 2015 sti?

 

Again, not useful unless you have the two cars dynoed the same day on the same dyno. Dyno graphs are useless without some kind of reference.

The engine is the same.

 

hey scientist Dude , prove me wrong.

2014 Evolution X GSR torque vs 2015 STI torque.

 

tune is not.

 

That's not how science works. You made the assertion, it's your responsibility to prove it. Don't try to pass the work off to someone else.

So? He said that even with his car modded, which I presume includes an even more aggressive tune, the STI had more low-end grunt. That's purely his opinion, however.