The 2015 STI
Well i had this type of conversation before, where you had 0 proof , only your mouth . I will not go that route again.
Find someone else for that. come back when you finally have something in your hand to back you up. So far i did show videos etc. And you? nothing besides empty speech.
Did you drove any of this cars? 2014 evo or the 2015 STi? if not then you should be not even talking here based on you own logic. At least i drove and driving one of them
Also i have an experience here with cars , what is your back ground? Call me out and show me what is your base on your opinion. It is a fair statement. I drove many stis many different level so as Evos. So i kind of know the difference between things, do you?
Now its your turn and show what you have to back yourself up.
Now its your turn before we proceed further, show us some credentials. If you call me out, se we know who you are. Because behind the net every body can be anything. I am sure you know that. Until then i am out with you.
That's not how science works. You made the assertion, it's your responsibility to prove it. Don't try to pass the work off to someone else.
So? He said that even with his car modded, which I presume includes an even more aggressive tune, the STI had more low-end grunt. That's purely his opinion, however.
So? He said that even with his car modded, which I presume includes an even more aggressive tune, the STI had more low-end grunt. That's purely his opinion, however.
lol.. what a hypocrite.
Well i had this type of conversation before, where you had 0 proof , only your mouth . I will not go that route again.
Find someone else for that. come back when you finally have something in your hand to back you up. So far i did show videos etc. And you? nothing besides empty speech.
Did you drove any of this cars? 2014 evo or the 2015 STi? if not then you should be not even talking here based on you own logic. At least i drove and driving one of them
Also i have an experience here with cars , what is your back ground? Call me out and show me what is your base on your opinion. It is a fair statement. I drove many stis many different level so as Evos. So i kind of know the difference between things, do you?
Now its your turn and show what you have to back yourself up.
Now its your turn before we proceed further, show us some credentials. If you call me out, se we know who you are. Because behind the net every body can be anything. I am sure you know that. Until then i am out with you.
Well i had this type of conversation before, where you had 0 proof , only your mouth . I will not go that route again.
Find someone else for that. come back when you finally have something in your hand to back you up. So far i did show videos etc. And you? nothing besides empty speech.
Did you drove any of this cars? 2014 evo or the 2015 STi? if not then you should be not even talking here based on you own logic. At least i drove and driving one of them
Also i have an experience here with cars , what is your back ground? Call me out and show me what is your base on your opinion. It is a fair statement. I drove many stis many different level so as Evos. So i kind of know the difference between things, do you?
Now its your turn and show what you have to back yourself up.
Now its your turn before we proceed further, show us some credentials. If you call me out, se we know who you are. Because behind the net every body can be anything. I am sure you know that. Until then i am out with you.
It's hilarious that you again want to make this all about me. You haven't driven the new STI, yet you've made assumptions about it based on your "experience" with older models. You want to claim the Evo has more low-end torque, but don't want to prove it. Who has "0 proof , only [their] mouth" now?
You posted youtube clips. Awesome, those are definitely considered proof.
I've driven an Evo MR, and I've driven STIs. Based on your logic, I'm a ****ing expert on both. I'm not the one making blanket assertions about how the cars must drive. I'm saying that deciding between the two is simply a matter of preference.
I don't give two ****s if you have "experience here with cars". That doesn't make you some kind of expert. In case you haven't noticed, this is evom. Your credentials are not relevant in this discussion. If the topic was prepping rally cars, or racing techniques, you would be the person to listen to. However, when the topic is a car you have no personal experience with, your credentials aren't worth a damn thing. Don't try to hide behind your self-imposed expertise. You've made assertions you haven't backed up, it's that simple. Your opinion, which is based purely on assumptions mind you, isn't worth anymore than that of other members simply because you race cars.
And? Did this tune somehow reduce low-end torque? You're all over the map. Like I said before, prove it.
Last edited by ambystom01; Apr 19, 2014 at 06:07 PM.
listen ladies, lets not all get our panties in a bunch over 7.6 tq at 1700 rpm... all I'm saying is the with the 2 cars I drove (08 sti), the sti had better low rpm pickup... making it easier to drive around town. the difference isn't exactly huge though....
and who cares about the factory tune? nobody drives these cars around stock anyway...
and who cares about the factory tune? nobody drives these cars around stock anyway...
listen ladies, lets not all get our panties in a bunch over 7.6 tq at 1700 rpm... all I'm saying is the with the 2 cars I drove (08 sti), the sti had better low rpm pickup... making it easier to drive around town. the difference isn't exactly huge though....
and who cares about the factory tune? nobody drives these cars around stock anyway...
and who cares about the factory tune? nobody drives these cars around stock anyway...
Let's expound.
First, the Z28 vs. the GTR thing. The Z28 is faster by virtue of the fact it has monster 305/30/19 tires at all four corners, and they're treadwear 60, essentially slicks.
Can we say that the 2015 STI isn't a good driving car without driving it? Certainly not.
Let's start out by talking about the grip, chassis, and technology of the STI vs. the Evo: Both have summer tires in identical size. I don't think anyone in either camp thinks the A13C or the Sport Maxx RT are really good summer tires, though, and are happy to replace them with better rubber. IMO, draw here.
The new STI's chassis is supposed to be infinitely better than before. All we have for comparison is one guy lapping both, untimed, on Laguna Seca. Hardly a representative conclusion of which car is faster. The Evo X chassis is fantastic, and maybe the STI is as good or even better. I haven't driven a 2015 STI, so I'm not sure. IMO, chassis winner undertermined here, as we need more data.
The STI's "torque vectoring" uses braking application at one of the front wheels. While the Evo can do that as well at all four wheels, can be easily disabled with a button press, it has real torque vectoring in the rear by transferring power through its SAYC system. The Evo's Recaros are also really nice due to their ability to hold you in place in high g-force situations. IMO, advantage Evo here.
Now, let's go to the other side of the coin, the engine. Can I know that the compromises of the EJ257 or a turbo H4 motor powertrain in general would prevent me from wanting to purchase one? Absolutely.
I had a bugeye before I owned Evos. I've tuned several EJ257s and EJ205s. I have lots of hours, dyno pulls, and road experience with Subaru boxer engines.
The problems with the EJ257 are easily summed up: The amount of pipe pre-turbo is asinine and destroys transient boost response. The top mounted intercooler has a very short run, but is a huge power limitation. Putting a proper front mount intercooler on an STI exacerbates this long piping problem and transient boost response issue tremendously. I have seen Evos with a 20whp and nearly 200 pound handicap drive around aftermarket turbo STIs at speed.
Don't even get me started on the fragility of the EJ257 and how expensive it is to even make 400whp reliably for years with one. That's not a problem for the 4B11.
Robevo's selection of another Evo is natural with his racing background. Some Evo owners are fanboys, but I don't think of Rob as one. I am, and admit it. The Evo is a more hardcore car, and guys that value high performance are more drawn to it over the STI. I'd fully expect an Evo forum to be full of Evo fanboys. We bought these cars because we love them.
The allure of the WRX and STI to me in the past was the hatch. I think they have a decent amount of performance stock, and I liked the extra cargo space. These days though, we have a truck, so I can't really see a need for a hatch.
All that said, though, I LOVE the BRZ. I think all of the compromises of an H4 design are surrounded around turbocharging, and in NA format, the lower center of gravity is a huge benefit. I wish I had the extra funds to tuck one in the garage next to the Evo.
First, the Z28 vs. the GTR thing. The Z28 is faster by virtue of the fact it has monster 305/30/19 tires at all four corners, and they're treadwear 60, essentially slicks.
Can we say that the 2015 STI isn't a good driving car without driving it? Certainly not.
Let's start out by talking about the grip, chassis, and technology of the STI vs. the Evo: Both have summer tires in identical size. I don't think anyone in either camp thinks the A13C or the Sport Maxx RT are really good summer tires, though, and are happy to replace them with better rubber. IMO, draw here.
The new STI's chassis is supposed to be infinitely better than before. All we have for comparison is one guy lapping both, untimed, on Laguna Seca. Hardly a representative conclusion of which car is faster. The Evo X chassis is fantastic, and maybe the STI is as good or even better. I haven't driven a 2015 STI, so I'm not sure. IMO, chassis winner undertermined here, as we need more data.
The STI's "torque vectoring" uses braking application at one of the front wheels. While the Evo can do that as well at all four wheels, can be easily disabled with a button press, it has real torque vectoring in the rear by transferring power through its SAYC system. The Evo's Recaros are also really nice due to their ability to hold you in place in high g-force situations. IMO, advantage Evo here.
Now, let's go to the other side of the coin, the engine. Can I know that the compromises of the EJ257 or a turbo H4 motor powertrain in general would prevent me from wanting to purchase one? Absolutely.
I had a bugeye before I owned Evos. I've tuned several EJ257s and EJ205s. I have lots of hours, dyno pulls, and road experience with Subaru boxer engines.
The problems with the EJ257 are easily summed up: The amount of pipe pre-turbo is asinine and destroys transient boost response. The top mounted intercooler has a very short run, but is a huge power limitation. Putting a proper front mount intercooler on an STI exacerbates this long piping problem and transient boost response issue tremendously. I have seen Evos with a 20whp and nearly 200 pound handicap drive around aftermarket turbo STIs at speed.
Don't even get me started on the fragility of the EJ257 and how expensive it is to even make 400whp reliably for years with one. That's not a problem for the 4B11.
Robevo's selection of another Evo is natural with his racing background. Some Evo owners are fanboys, but I don't think of Rob as one. I am, and admit it. The Evo is a more hardcore car, and guys that value high performance are more drawn to it over the STI. I'd fully expect an Evo forum to be full of Evo fanboys. We bought these cars because we love them.
The allure of the WRX and STI to me in the past was the hatch. I think they have a decent amount of performance stock, and I liked the extra cargo space. These days though, we have a truck, so I can't really see a need for a hatch.
All that said, though, I LOVE the BRZ. I think all of the compromises of an H4 design are surrounded around turbocharging, and in NA format, the lower center of gravity is a huge benefit. I wish I had the extra funds to tuck one in the garage next to the Evo.
Last edited by Noize; Apr 20, 2014 at 04:32 AM. Reason: Sheesh, I can't spell.
Let's expound.
First, the Z28 vs. the GTR thing. The Z28 is faster by virtue of the fact it has monster 305/30/19 tires at all four corners, and they're treadwear 60 tires that are essentially slicks.
Can we say that the 2015 STI isn't a good driving car without driving it? Certainly not.
Let's start out by talking about the grip, chassis, and technology of the STI vs. the Evo: Both have summer tires in identical size. I don't think anyone in either camp thinks the A13C or the Sport Maxx RT are really good summer tires, though, and are happy to replace them with better rubber. IMO, draw here.
The new STI's chassis is supposed to be infinitely better than before. All we have for data is one guy's time at the wheel of the both, untimed, on Laguna Seca. Hardly representative data of which car is faster. The Evo X chassis is fantastic, but maybe the STI is as good or even better. I haven't driven a 2015 STI, so I'm not sure. IMO, chassis winner undertermined here, as we need more data.
The STI's "torque vectoring" uses braking application at one of the front wheels. While the Evo can do that as well at all four wheels, and can be easily disabled with a button press, it has real torque vectoring in the rear by transferring power through its SAYC system. The Evo's Recaros are also really nice due to their ability to hold you in place in high g-force situations. IMO, advantage Evo here.
Now, let's go to the other side of the coin, the engine. Can I know that the compromises of the EJ257 or a turbo H4 motor powertrain in general would prevent me from wanting to purchase one? Absolutely.
I had a bugeye before I owned Evos. I've tuned several EJ257s and EJ205s. I have lots of hours, dyno pulls, and road experience with Subaru boxer engines.
The problems with the EJ257 are easily summed up: The amount of pipe pre-turbo is asinine and destroys transient boost response. The top mounted intercooler has a very short run, but is a huge power limitation. Putting a proper front mount intercooler on an STI exacerbates this long piping problem and transient boost response issue tremendously. I have seen Evos with a 20whp and nearly 200 pound handicap drive around aftermarket turbo STIs at speed.
Don't even get me started on the fragility of the EJ257 and how expensive it is to even make 400whp reliably for years with one. That's not a problem for the 4B11.
Robevo's selection of another Evo is natural with his racing background. Some Evo owners are fanboys. I am, and admit it. The Evo is a more hardcore car, and guys that value high performance are more drawn to it over the STI. I'd fully expect an Evo forum to be full of Evo fanboys. We bought these cars because we love them.
The allure of the WRX and STI to me in the past was the hatch. I think they have a decent amount of performance stock, and I liked the extra cargo space. These days though, we have a truck, so I can't really see a need for a hatch.
All that said, though, I LOVE the BRZ. I think all of the compromises of an H4 design are surrounded around turbocharging, and in NA format, the lower center of gravity is a huge benefit. I wish I had the extra funds to tuck one in the garage next to the Evo.
First, the Z28 vs. the GTR thing. The Z28 is faster by virtue of the fact it has monster 305/30/19 tires at all four corners, and they're treadwear 60 tires that are essentially slicks.
Can we say that the 2015 STI isn't a good driving car without driving it? Certainly not.
Let's start out by talking about the grip, chassis, and technology of the STI vs. the Evo: Both have summer tires in identical size. I don't think anyone in either camp thinks the A13C or the Sport Maxx RT are really good summer tires, though, and are happy to replace them with better rubber. IMO, draw here.
The new STI's chassis is supposed to be infinitely better than before. All we have for data is one guy's time at the wheel of the both, untimed, on Laguna Seca. Hardly representative data of which car is faster. The Evo X chassis is fantastic, but maybe the STI is as good or even better. I haven't driven a 2015 STI, so I'm not sure. IMO, chassis winner undertermined here, as we need more data.
The STI's "torque vectoring" uses braking application at one of the front wheels. While the Evo can do that as well at all four wheels, and can be easily disabled with a button press, it has real torque vectoring in the rear by transferring power through its SAYC system. The Evo's Recaros are also really nice due to their ability to hold you in place in high g-force situations. IMO, advantage Evo here.
Now, let's go to the other side of the coin, the engine. Can I know that the compromises of the EJ257 or a turbo H4 motor powertrain in general would prevent me from wanting to purchase one? Absolutely.
I had a bugeye before I owned Evos. I've tuned several EJ257s and EJ205s. I have lots of hours, dyno pulls, and road experience with Subaru boxer engines.
The problems with the EJ257 are easily summed up: The amount of pipe pre-turbo is asinine and destroys transient boost response. The top mounted intercooler has a very short run, but is a huge power limitation. Putting a proper front mount intercooler on an STI exacerbates this long piping problem and transient boost response issue tremendously. I have seen Evos with a 20whp and nearly 200 pound handicap drive around aftermarket turbo STIs at speed.
Don't even get me started on the fragility of the EJ257 and how expensive it is to even make 400whp reliably for years with one. That's not a problem for the 4B11.
Robevo's selection of another Evo is natural with his racing background. Some Evo owners are fanboys. I am, and admit it. The Evo is a more hardcore car, and guys that value high performance are more drawn to it over the STI. I'd fully expect an Evo forum to be full of Evo fanboys. We bought these cars because we love them.
The allure of the WRX and STI to me in the past was the hatch. I think they have a decent amount of performance stock, and I liked the extra cargo space. These days though, we have a truck, so I can't really see a need for a hatch.
All that said, though, I LOVE the BRZ. I think all of the compromises of an H4 design are surrounded around turbocharging, and in NA format, the lower center of gravity is a huge benefit. I wish I had the extra funds to tuck one in the garage next to the Evo.
I don't think either car is definitely better than the other. I'm always impressed by how good the Evo is at the track and as a Subaru owner, I think you'd have to be a dumbass to buy an STI for the express purpose of building a track car. That being said, we're still ultimately left in a wash of subjective assessments.
Some people love the Evo Recaros, myself included, others have complained they're too tight. I don't like the stock STI seats, others absolutely love them. I haven't sat in the new ones so I can't comment in that regard.
I think the EJ motor is OK for daily duty, but I think it's ridiculous that Subaru insists on continuing to use it when there is the superior F series in the WRX ready to go. I haven't had any problems with my car despite being at nearly 100,000 miles, but there are enough design flaws in the EJ motor that I wouldn't want to do anything more power wise. That's largely not an issue for me anyways because I'm happy with my current power output. However, it is something to keep in mind. The unequal length headers are seemingly done for no reason other than sound, at the expense of power and reliability, the stock tune is ****ing horrible, fuel economy is non-existent, and the oil pickup tube is a ticking time bomb. Much of these issues are addressed by the new motor, including the large amount of exhaust piping. If Subaru gave that motor stronger internals, a larger turbo, more aggressive cams, whatever, to up the power, they'd have a good car on their hands.
As it stands, I don't see any reason to buy the new STI knowing that Subaru will be replacing the motor soon, or at least they should be doing it soon. The two motors, the EJ257 and the new motor in the WRX, have been dyno tested and despite the claimed power differences, the new motor produces the same power, with a way better band.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...aru-wrx-vs-sti
Last edited by ambystom01; Apr 19, 2014 at 08:16 PM.
I agree with the Z28 point entirely, but if someone wants to distill a comparison between two cars down to nothing more than lap times, that leads to the rather unpleasant conclusion that the Z28 is a better car than the GTR, or the Porsche 911.
I don't think either car is definitely better than the other. I'm always impressed by how good the Evo is at the track and as a Subaru owner, I think you'd have to be a dumbass to buy an STI for the express purpose of building a track car. That being said, we're still ultimately left in a wash of subjective assessments.
Some people love the Evo Recaros, myself included, others have complained they're too tight. I don't like the stock STI seats, others absolutely love them. I haven't sat in the new ones so I can't comment in that regard.
I think the EJ motor is OK for daily duty, but I think it's ridiculous that Subaru insists on continuing to use it when there is the superior F series in the WRX ready to go. I haven't had any problems with my car despite being at nearly 100,000 miles, but there are enough design flaws in the EJ motor that I wouldn't want to do anything more power wise. That's largely not an issue for me anyways because I'm happy with my current power output. However, it is something to keep in mind. The unequal length headers are seemingly done for no reason other than sound, at the expense of power and reliability, the stock tune is ****ing horrible, fuel economy is non-existent, and the oil pickup tube is a ticking time bomb. Much of these issues are addressed by the new motor, including the large amount of exhaust piping. If Subaru gave that motor stronger internals, a larger turbo, more aggressive cams, whatever, to up the power, they'd have a good car on their hands.
As it stands, I don't see any reason to buy the new STI knowing that Subaru will be replacing the motor soon, or at least they should be doing it soon. The two motors, the EJ257 and the new motor in the WRX, have been dyno tested and despite the claimed power differences, the new motor produces the same power, with a way better band.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...aru-wrx-vs-sti
I don't think either car is definitely better than the other. I'm always impressed by how good the Evo is at the track and as a Subaru owner, I think you'd have to be a dumbass to buy an STI for the express purpose of building a track car. That being said, we're still ultimately left in a wash of subjective assessments.
Some people love the Evo Recaros, myself included, others have complained they're too tight. I don't like the stock STI seats, others absolutely love them. I haven't sat in the new ones so I can't comment in that regard.
I think the EJ motor is OK for daily duty, but I think it's ridiculous that Subaru insists on continuing to use it when there is the superior F series in the WRX ready to go. I haven't had any problems with my car despite being at nearly 100,000 miles, but there are enough design flaws in the EJ motor that I wouldn't want to do anything more power wise. That's largely not an issue for me anyways because I'm happy with my current power output. However, it is something to keep in mind. The unequal length headers are seemingly done for no reason other than sound, at the expense of power and reliability, the stock tune is ****ing horrible, fuel economy is non-existent, and the oil pickup tube is a ticking time bomb. Much of these issues are addressed by the new motor, including the large amount of exhaust piping. If Subaru gave that motor stronger internals, a larger turbo, more aggressive cams, whatever, to up the power, they'd have a good car on their hands.
As it stands, I don't see any reason to buy the new STI knowing that Subaru will be replacing the motor soon, or at least they should be doing it soon. The two motors, the EJ257 and the new motor in the WRX, have been dyno tested and despite the claimed power differences, the new motor produces the same power, with a way better band.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...aru-wrx-vs-sti
I also totally understand everything likes different things. I saw a new WRX in person (maybe you saw on FB), but I think even with the better engine, it'd be so hard to turn down the more aggressive styling and handling of the STI. I hope you're right! A new engine in the STI could be awesome.
I take decent care of my car. I do a used oil analysis at every change, the car has been tuned for much of its life, and it doesn't have unequal length headers anymore. I need to change the stupid oil pickup tube but I'll do that soonish.
Like I said, I couldn't bring myself to buy either car at the moment. I really wish Subaru still made the STI hatch because that with a new engine would be awesome.
Like I said, I couldn't bring myself to buy either car at the moment. I really wish Subaru still made the STI hatch because that with a new engine would be awesome.
As it stands, I don't see any reason to buy the new STI knowing that Subaru will be replacing the motor soon, or at least they should be doing it soon. The two motors, the EJ257 and the new motor in the WRX, have been dyno tested and despite the claimed power differences, the new motor produces the same power, with a way better band.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...aru-wrx-vs-sti
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...aru-wrx-vs-sti
Let's expound.
First, the Z28 vs. the GTR thing. The Z28 is faster by virtue of the fact it has monster 305/30/19 tires at all four corners, and they're treadwear 60, essentially slicks.
Can we say that the 2015 STI isn't a good driving car without driving it? Certainly not.
Let's start out by talking about the grip, chassis, and technology of the STI vs. the Evo: Both have summer tires in identical size. I don't think anyone in either camp thinks the A13C or the Sport Maxx RT are really good summer tires, though, and are happy to replace them with better rubber. IMO, draw here.
The new STI's chassis is supposed to be infinitely better than before. All we have for comparison is one guy lapping both, untimed, on Laguna Seca. Hardly a representative conclusion of which car is faster. The Evo X chassis is fantastic, and maybe the STI is as good or even better. I haven't driven a 2015 STI, so I'm not sure. IMO, chassis winner undertermined here, as we need more data.
The STI's "torque vectoring" uses braking application at one of the front wheels. While the Evo can do that as well at all four wheels, can be easily disabled with a button press, it has real torque vectoring in the rear by transferring power through its SAYC system. The Evo's Recaros are also really nice due to their ability to hold you in place in high g-force situations. IMO, advantage Evo here.
Now, let's go to the other side of the coin, the engine. Can I know that the compromises of the EJ257 or a turbo H4 motor powertrain in general would prevent me from wanting to purchase one? Absolutely.
I had a bugeye before I owned Evos. I've tuned several EJ257s and EJ205s. I have lots of hours, dyno pulls, and road experience with Subaru boxer engines.
The problems with the EJ257 are easily summed up: The amount of pipe pre-turbo is asinine and destroys transient boost response. The top mounted intercooler has a very short run, but is a huge power limitation. Putting a proper front mount intercooler on an STI exacerbates this long piping problem and transient boost response issue tremendously. I have seen Evos with a 20whp and nearly 200 pound handicap drive around aftermarket turbo STIs at speed.
Don't even get me started on the fragility of the EJ257 and how expensive it is to even make 400whp reliably for years with one. That's not a problem for the 4B11.
Robevo's selection of another Evo is natural with his racing background. Some Evo owners are fanboys, but I don't think of Rob as one. I am, and admit it. The Evo is a more hardcore car, and guys that value high performance are more drawn to it over the STI. I'd fully expect an Evo forum to be full of Evo fanboys. We bought these cars because we love them.
The allure of the WRX and STI to me in the past was the hatch. I think they have a decent amount of performance stock, and I liked the extra cargo space. These days though, we have a truck, so I can't really see a need for a hatch.
All that said, though, I LOVE the BRZ. I think all of the compromises of an H4 design are surrounded around turbocharging, and in NA format, the lower center of gravity is a huge benefit. I wish I had the extra funds to tuck one in the garage next to the Evo.
First, the Z28 vs. the GTR thing. The Z28 is faster by virtue of the fact it has monster 305/30/19 tires at all four corners, and they're treadwear 60, essentially slicks.
Can we say that the 2015 STI isn't a good driving car without driving it? Certainly not.
Let's start out by talking about the grip, chassis, and technology of the STI vs. the Evo: Both have summer tires in identical size. I don't think anyone in either camp thinks the A13C or the Sport Maxx RT are really good summer tires, though, and are happy to replace them with better rubber. IMO, draw here.
The new STI's chassis is supposed to be infinitely better than before. All we have for comparison is one guy lapping both, untimed, on Laguna Seca. Hardly a representative conclusion of which car is faster. The Evo X chassis is fantastic, and maybe the STI is as good or even better. I haven't driven a 2015 STI, so I'm not sure. IMO, chassis winner undertermined here, as we need more data.
The STI's "torque vectoring" uses braking application at one of the front wheels. While the Evo can do that as well at all four wheels, can be easily disabled with a button press, it has real torque vectoring in the rear by transferring power through its SAYC system. The Evo's Recaros are also really nice due to their ability to hold you in place in high g-force situations. IMO, advantage Evo here.
Now, let's go to the other side of the coin, the engine. Can I know that the compromises of the EJ257 or a turbo H4 motor powertrain in general would prevent me from wanting to purchase one? Absolutely.
I had a bugeye before I owned Evos. I've tuned several EJ257s and EJ205s. I have lots of hours, dyno pulls, and road experience with Subaru boxer engines.
The problems with the EJ257 are easily summed up: The amount of pipe pre-turbo is asinine and destroys transient boost response. The top mounted intercooler has a very short run, but is a huge power limitation. Putting a proper front mount intercooler on an STI exacerbates this long piping problem and transient boost response issue tremendously. I have seen Evos with a 20whp and nearly 200 pound handicap drive around aftermarket turbo STIs at speed.
Don't even get me started on the fragility of the EJ257 and how expensive it is to even make 400whp reliably for years with one. That's not a problem for the 4B11.
Robevo's selection of another Evo is natural with his racing background. Some Evo owners are fanboys, but I don't think of Rob as one. I am, and admit it. The Evo is a more hardcore car, and guys that value high performance are more drawn to it over the STI. I'd fully expect an Evo forum to be full of Evo fanboys. We bought these cars because we love them.
The allure of the WRX and STI to me in the past was the hatch. I think they have a decent amount of performance stock, and I liked the extra cargo space. These days though, we have a truck, so I can't really see a need for a hatch.
All that said, though, I LOVE the BRZ. I think all of the compromises of an H4 design are surrounded around turbocharging, and in NA format, the lower center of gravity is a huge benefit. I wish I had the extra funds to tuck one in the garage next to the Evo.
i will leave out the other cars comparison here below.
I agree with you, but you forgot to add on the stiffened up suspension parts - bushings ( some parts are 126% stiffer..) vs the old STI . They still running the 4 coilovers around set up , which also makes the parts more expensive and looks still not as good performer and strong as the Evo coil overs on front and struts at the rear.
who doesnt know, this is a 4 coilover set up for an example from i think a 2004 JDM STI
this is the Evo 2 coilover and two strut set up:
Plus the 40% ridgier body ( which is the ONLY one thing so far i can see as a gain in performance department, which would not compromise every day driving vs the evo standard) and you will know why i said what i said before and started the "debate" why i think the new 2015 STI is not anymore a choice of be a better DD car. Which is a major point was when you had to choose between the two. Dont you agree on that? STI was always a better everyday driver, i think until 2015. The X MR has SST and i am sure a LOT better level of riding now. That is a big thing , because the whole argument which was about DD is out of the window. SO whats left to actually pick an STI vs the EVo?
I tell you what
they stop making evos... 
Also the New 2015 WRX 2.0L put all kind of shame on the 2015 STI power curb and power if you think on the turbo etc set up. Beyond me why they didnt develop a STI engine from that engine for the new body. All other add ons is more like safety features then performance. That brake controlled rear is not something you would need a AWD 300hp car... It does work excellent in 2WD cars but that is a whole another story. Only thing is i am also interested they new 6 speed transmission. i cant wait to see what they mean by that. They had a great tranny before , so i am sure it is a great unit. What i dont get why they revise the great transmission but leaving aprox 10+ years old engine in the front... Beyond me.
Anyway i am certain the DD task as a ride quality compromised that far , it is even pair or beyond the GSR ride.
Basically still a slower car then an EVo, but lost the dd smoothness for sure - and the new tune looks like focusing the higher rpm to probably keep up with evo up there . But they also lost some low end TQ because of that. So the low end TQ advantage as it was before, is nonexistent or minimal - Nav unit is a joke - the seats are also not as good as the Evo . Only thing is winning here the trunk space.
Sum it up in my opinion. You have to pick a slower same quality DD ride , with a risky engine - but a bigger trunk vs the more nimble faster - better looking - better driver seat - navigation - sound car for a same price.
I choose the second option, since these cars NEVER been made to be a daily driver, so the trunk space alone.. That is a whole point which tend to be WRX guys forget entirely...
Neither the STI or the EVo made to be DD. car. So for they own purpose the only deciding factory should be since they ARE performance cars, and they are PURPOSLY made for that, which is a better performer and has a better reliable upgradable options.
Other cars:
For DD the new WRX is a hands down winner over the RA in my eyes. There is no comparison for me between the two. Manual - new engine - new look etc. Sorry RA guys but that is my opinion. I even say , might be time to consider the WRX over the STI if you are not serious racing guy, and you have only one car to drive around. I would never say this one before for sure.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Apr 20, 2014 at 08:28 AM.
Hey Rob!
It's missing in his quote because I added it later when I edited.
Sometimes I read back over things and I realized I didn't do as good a job explaining what I was trying to say as I meant to.
I highly value your opinion as an Evo enthusiast and driver, so I wanted to make sure you didn't think I meant you were as a fanboy.
It's missing in his quote because I added it later when I edited.
Sometimes I read back over things and I realized I didn't do as good a job explaining what I was trying to say as I meant to.
I highly value your opinion as an Evo enthusiast and driver, so I wanted to make sure you didn't think I meant you were as a fanboy.
Hey Rob!
It's missing in his quote because I added it later when I edited.
Sometimes I read back over things and I realized I didn't do as good a job explaining what I was trying to say as I meant to.
I highly value your opinion as an Evo enthusiast and driver, so I wanted to make sure you didn't think I meant you were as a fanboy.
It's missing in his quote because I added it later when I edited.
Sometimes I read back over things and I realized I didn't do as good a job explaining what I was trying to say as I meant to.
I highly value your opinion as an Evo enthusiast and driver, so I wanted to make sure you didn't think I meant you were as a fanboy.
then i take it back that comment. an apologize for it.
I have the same and the other issue when i post , the skill of writing. I barely have a post without editing... lol
Sometimes i read it back, and i have no idea what i tried to say there
Side note, I love the BRZ! no joke. If i would have money that would be my next project car for track with a JDM 2.0L turbo engine
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The video was a review of the two cars.
You still haven't addressed whether you believe, using your own logic, that the Camaro Z28 is a better car than the Porsche 911 or the Nissan GTR, and presumably the Evo.