i had an Integra GSR and a Type R. everyone said, "oh, there's not much difference. not worth twice the price (i paid $15k for my ITR vs $7k for a GSR). if you drove both, you would know there is a huge difference. yes, seam welds and chassis stiffening makes that much difference not to mention engine, drivetrain, and suspension changes. the Si will not hold a candle to a Type R, assuming the tradition is upheld.

will the new Type R hold value like the old ones? not sure. but i bought my ITR about 8 or 9yrs ago and they are still going for the same price. pretty impressive, IMO. i'd love to have another, actually.

 

I'm in no way saying that the Si will be nearly identical to the Type R. I'm just saying that if there's a 10k spread in price and the Si is a turbo 280 hp, bang for the buck is big in favor of the Si.

That being said, we don't know what the differences between the Type R and Si will be for this gen... its possible that it could just be power and suspension, no chassis differences other than maybe some bolt on braces... in which case bolting on some decent coilovers will make up for most of the difference in suspension. But this is all speculation. I'd be interested to see all the differences between the Type R and Si.

 

For a daily driver, I agree 100%. If I'm sinking money into a track toy, noooo way.

 

agreed... but then again, if I'm buying a track toy I'm not buying anything new... but thats just me

edit:
thats assuming the differences between Type R and Si are the same as previous gen models. if all the differences are bolt on and more power, Si may still be a better deal as lots of that stuff would be replaced with better aftermarket parts. again, it depends on the differences between the 2 models for this gen

 

I wouldn't buy new, either. But differences are the same even when the cars are a few years old.
And yes, assuming the difference is significant which is why I mentioned "assuming the tradition is upheld". I doubt the engines are still hand-built, etc, but I really, really hope they did the Type-R name justice. 👍

 

Keep in mind the resale value for a ITR is kept high because you can not get more of them. They weren't being made for the N.American market, so the supply is very limited.
I would imagine the CTR will hold good value, similar to an EVO, but not nearly as good as the ITR.
IF you actually kept the ORIGINAL CTR first model year, I'd imagine that would be worth something in 20 yrs.

I'm sure the CTR will have additional body stiffening features as a track animal it would have to be. These features will be in the body most likely and in addition to bolt on tower braces.

What's the performance gap between an lancer rally hart and an Evo9?
I'd imagine the SI to CTR will have a significant gap in performance.
Unlike a 2015 wrx vs sti.. that's a little more unclear to me
I wouldn't expect an outrageous SI version, my $$$ is on a model which has a little more HP than the current and a decent amount more torque being boosted. (Honda isn't known for giant leaps over the previous)

 

in the past, the Type R models bare chassis was stiffer. the metal was thicker at suspension pick up points. I'd be happy to see that tradition upheld.

My guess is that the performance difference will be more like WRX to STi than Rally Art to Evo...

 

Currently the SI = 205hp/174 lb ft
The Euro CTR is 306hp/295 lb ft


I think its a good possibility to assume those figures are destined for N.America CTR +100/120

So by your figures, the SI would jump up 50-60hp and 80 tq to be more like a wrx/sti gap? That's extremely unlikely wouldn't you think, the SI would grow that much?

Honda has never been a company to be that aggressive over an out going model, which is why I believe the gap in performance from SI to CTR will be huge.

To each their own

 

all new car chassis are getting stiffer and stiffer. my mom has a 2015 fit and that chassis is amazing. doubt there will be much difference in chassis if any. its not like the old days anymore,

 

well the current Si isn't a turbo and the Type R is, but the rumor is the next gen Si is supposed to be turbo also, 280 hp... so thats my reasoning for my statement above

 

yeah, thats why I'm thinking the chassis difference may not be the same for this next gen Si/Type R as it has been in the past... hence my reasoning on why the Si being the bang for the buck model

 

is 280hp a guess or an estimate from some source?
The engine being FI is the only information I'm aware of that has been released.
The displacement of the SI is still unknown.... well, to the public :-D

 

based on the post that one guy made in this thread earlier
but to me, unless the info is coming directly from honda, its all a guessing game anyway... and yes, all of my assumptions between the Si and the Type R model are based on the FI 280 hp thing... but I'm sure its well over 200 hp since its FI

 

hahahaha well there is one guarantee, it will be more than the current 205/175 figures

(since it won't be any lighter lol)

 

how about that?

"Briefly, on the last testing Civic Type R set up its own FWD lap record of 7:50! In order to come up with the answer is that a good or bad, follows a comparison of this time with the times of some models which are registered in the record book on this track.

As additional information is worth mentioning that the Honda Civic Type R equalize the score with the ultimate (and of course, much more expensive) cars, because the time of 7:50 on this legendary track already achieved BMW E46 M3 CSL (yes, the ultimate M3) and Porsche Carrera S (new, 997 generation). So then, who is slower?

Here is the list:

Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 (7:56)
Porsche 911 Turbo – 996 (7:56)
Porsche Panamera Turbo (7:56)
Caterham R500 Superlight (7:55)
Ferrari F430 F1 (7:55)
2008 Nissan GT-R (7:54)
Porsche 911 Turbo – 997 (7:54)
Renault Megane RS 275 Trophy-R (7:54)
Mercedes CLK DTM AMG (7:54)
Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 (7:52) "

http://www.car24news.com/the-new-hon...ardo-lp-560-4/