Agreed. There must have been some level of consumer needs research completed by the marketing team before this car was even developed. As a result, we, and our opinions on the matter might just be the minority (which is a weird thought). I just hope that they were surveying the right groups when they did this, that is, people who are actually passionate about sports cars. There's gotta be some real sales statistics to back up Toyota's choices. I may test drive it for the experience once the hype dies down, but I probably won't buy it.

 

that being said, no manual option is stupid anyway you slice it. I mean look at how many manual 86's were sold...

 

That's very true. I really don't know why they did that.

 

There isn't enough "hard core", passionate enthusiasts to support sales. We are absolutely the minority.
Also, anybody can drive this car, as opposed to a manual.
Makes business sense.

 

I mean if they needed to spend the time to develop a transmission that might be a valid excuse, but they have a transmission, its BMW twin is available with a manual transmission... it makes absolutely 0 sense. it only make sense in a "we want this to fail so we have an excuse to never make sports cars anymore" kinda way

 

Both valid points. They are after all very good at making the Prius' now....which is sad....very sad indeed....because you can only be so proud about making the nations best tampon.

 

 

I think its more along the lines of "we don't want to"

the 2 cars are clones with different bodywork, even the interior is almost identical... what about the car wouldn't "readily accept it"? the only thing I can think of that would need to be done is maybe a different interior panel where the shifter sticks through, otherwise everything is already being done for its BMW twin anyway. maybe a slightly different gauge cluster...?



ps.
of all people, i wouldn't have pegged you to be as one of the understanding ones about the auto only thing... why are you defending this choice so much?

 

This is going to turn into another FoRS thread. Arguing over something dumb, in a car no one has driven nor any of us are likely to buy...lmao.

The specs look good. A full second faster 0-60 than the MKIV, and also faster 0-60 than any production Evo (since this is an Evo forum LOL). And the BMW turbo 6 is fairly easily upgraded. If you can't figure out how to remove a few clips and pop off a plastic engine cover, you probably shouldn't be working on cars. Modern auto's are very, very good. If you want it to be in the right gear, put it in manual/sport mode and shift it with the paddles. Performance models are typically very responsive to commands, the SST in the EvoX MR certainly is, and so was a newer M4 I've driven.

Not buying a car because it might be hard to build a front splitter has got to be the SILLIEST ****ing thing I've ever heard/read.

 

I was waiting for Sean to come in here and say something more logical than any of us had thus far

 

Its a sad successor to the Supra, but Im sure itll be fine. Being Auto only is sad tho. Lack of a proper trans in Manual or DSG just feels wrong for a sports car these days. I feel its more of a statement that this isnt the final version we want but getting their toes wet for a proper version?

The biggest reason I wouldnt buy one though, BMW drivetrain that BMW wont service when it inevitably turns into an xmas tree on the dash. And the low volume coming through toyota, techs are gonna be scratching their head and guessing.

 

plastic stuff is ok while the car is newish, but it gets brittle with age and breaks instead of popping.

the SST in the EvoX is a dual clutch trans, not a torque converter. So is the M4. I'd be much more understanding of it if they went with a DCT setup, but torque converter just screams we don't want enthusiasts buying this car. my complaint isn't the lack of a 3rd pedal, its the presence of a torque converter. almost every paddle shiftable torque converter auto I've driven does not listen to the paddles, its more of a "when you get around to it" kinda relationship with the paddles.

splitter thing is just a random comment on the car's styling. Since there were a bunch of people saying the don't like how it looks, I was saying I think it looks fine and that was the only negative thing about it. I've seen some chopped pics of the car lowered on TE's and other wheels, and in my opinion it actually looks pretty good.

there are really only 2 things that kill the car for me, the torque converter and the everything plastic under the hood as a distant second. although if I was really looking at buying the car, the plastic everything wouldn't really keep me from buying it.

 

You probably haven't driven a C7 Z06 with the 10 speed then. Torque converters have lock up clutches, when programmed right, you don't even know it's there. This isn't your grandpa's turbo 400 with 5 extra gears..

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...f-eight-speed/

I think its a great successor. I'm sure there will be solid aftermarket for it. Also, reading all of the articles, a great deal of attention was given to handling and balance. Somehting we all know the MKIV wasn't really known for..

I think we're so used to seeing/reading "Yeah, just rod/piston 3.0L 2JZ with a 76mm on it, making 1200 wheel on ethanol, now big deal" that anything Toyota released was going to seem boring short of something that more resembled the price and perofrmance of a Ferrari 599 lol.

 

torque converter is only locked up while you're on full throttle, once you go part throttle its back to regular TC operation. That and the paddles are still a when you get around to it kinda deal...

 

I can say for 100% certainty that you are most likely 100% wrong. What you are talking about here is all in how the transmission is programmed. Without having driven this car, you have absolutely no evidence to support your statement.

Having driven modern auto cars, I can tell you that's not how they work. This is the same trans that BMW puts in the M5, so something tells me it's not going to suck.