911s on Track
Dec 19, 2019, 10:30 AM
#1
911s on Track
Curious if anyone has driven a 911 on track in anger. I've heard they are oversteery, they are pushy, everything in the middle. Maybe not as snappy as a mid-engine car. Curious if, with the lack of weight in the front, they would be similar in that they will need trail braking to turn in well, and can get on the power aggressively due to the rear engine over the rear wheels as well
Dec 19, 2019, 12:41 PM
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Curious if anyone has driven a 911 on track in anger. I've heard they are oversteery, they are pushy, everything in the middle. Maybe not as snappy as a mid-engine car. Curious if, with the lack of weight in the front, they would be similar in that they will need trail braking to turn in well, and can get on the power aggressively due to the rear engine over the rear wheels as well
Yes they are. At work we had a 911 Turbo S and even with the AWD it was tail happy. I"ve managed to spin it once on a corner on fresh tarmac in the middle of the summer with AWD and AWS. Otherwise it was extremely planted and changed directions fantastically but be aware of the weight in the back. As long as you plan for it it can be managed.
Years ago we had an older Carrera S 6-Speed and going around a corner was down right scary. It felt like I had a safe strapped to my *** and tried to run around a corner. It did stick but was very unsettling and you simply had to trust that the car was going to make the corner. If you lifted at all in a corner it was gone or you could try and hang the rear end out but was hard to balance. However once you get it they set killer times. The latest GT2 I think is now the 2nd fastest car Porsche 911 GT2 RS hit 6:47.3s and all that power in the rear IDK how it works. The Porsche 911 GT2 RS has set the fastest time for a lap of the Nürburgring by a road legal, rear-wheel drive car in series production.
Link: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...r-drive-record
Dec 19, 2019, 03:51 PM
#3
I did one of those drive an exotic things in vegas which is basically a glorified autox course, I drove a Ferrari F430 and a GT3 RS, not exactly apples to apples but I found the F430 very understeery and the GT3's nose stuck like glue. I only got 5 laps so I wasn't able to work up to the GT3's limit, but at 8 or 9/10 it was amazing. The F430 sucked tho... I was at its limit by the second lap... honestly my miata does everything better except acceleration... but in the Ferrari's defense, its a school car thats beat to crap every day and prolly not very well taken care of, and pretty old at this point.
Dec 19, 2019, 03:56 PM
#4
I did one of those drive an exotic things in vegas which is basically a glorified autox course, I drove a Ferrari F430 and a GT3 RS, not exactly apples to apples but I found the F430 very understeery and the GT3's nose stuck like glue. I only got 5 laps so I wasn't able to work up to the GT3's limit, but at 8 or 9/10 it was amazing. The F430 sucked tho... I was at its limit by the second lap... honestly my miata does everything better except acceleration... but in the Ferrari's defense, its a school car thats beat to crap every day and prolly not very well taken care of, and pretty old at this point.
we had 430’s at work too and they were and are fantastic. Extremely well balanced. The front tires were probably toast.
Dec 19, 2019, 06:19 PM
#5
generally Porsches are great on track. 911 just incredible. very well balanced cars , a lot better then an Evo.
Motorsport is about money, and there is a very good reason why the Porsche cost arms and legs. Like the GT3 and similar would destroy our car even tuned Evos. Completely build Evo is a different story, but we assume the Porsche stay stock in all comparision to the Evo lol
Motorsport is about money, and there is a very good reason why the Porsche cost arms and legs. Like the GT3 and similar would destroy our car even tuned Evos. Completely build Evo is a different story, but we assume the Porsche stay stock in all comparision to the Evo lol
Dec 19, 2019, 09:04 PM
#6
i'm more kind of wondering from a corner entry perspective - we trailbrake our evos so they rotate - do 911s, due to the opposite, a lack of load on front tires, need the same? and is getting on power, due to high load in rear, have more potential than a typical f/r?
Dec 19, 2019, 09:53 PM
#7
I've driven an RS3 on a kart track. I think I reached the top of 3rd gear. Lots of tight turns to power out of. The owner kept the nannies on, since I was only getting one lap in it. You can hear them kick in. Each time was the rear stepping out. I wanted it to.. too bad the computers kicked in to bring it back in. Bummer. But, I could feel how easily it was to get the back end out. I felt like the car was really pushy until you really give it some gas. The car definitely rewarded a heavy foot 
I guess you gotta overcome the weight transfer to the rear LOL
I guess you gotta overcome the weight transfer to the rear LOL
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Dec 22, 2019, 03:54 PM
#8
I drove a gt3 for over an hour earlier this month. Very well balanced with and without the electronic aids on.
They have a few “modules “ at the Porsche experience to explore what the car and driver are capable of. The rear module is polished concrete and let’s you easily explore the cars limits at low speeds.
The handling and stopping of the gt3 was incredible. It changed directions well and inspired confidence.
They have a few “modules “ at the Porsche experience to explore what the car and driver are capable of. The rear module is polished concrete and let’s you easily explore the cars limits at low speeds.
The handling and stopping of the gt3 was incredible. It changed directions well and inspired confidence.
Dec 22, 2019, 09:07 PM
#9
I drove a gt3 for over an hour earlier this month. Very well balanced with and without the electronic aids on.
They have a few “modules “ at the Porsche experience to explore what the car and driver are capable of. The rear module is polished concrete and let’s you easily explore the cars limits at low speeds.
The handling and stopping of the gt3 was incredible. It changed directions well and inspired confidence.
https://youtu.be/urimAYlBOXM
They have a few “modules “ at the Porsche experience to explore what the car and driver are capable of. The rear module is polished concrete and let’s you easily explore the cars limits at low speeds.
The handling and stopping of the gt3 was incredible. It changed directions well and inspired confidence.
https://youtu.be/urimAYlBOXM
Dec 23, 2019, 12:01 AM
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it really depends on which generation you drive... the later models have longer wheelbase and they have ironed a lot of the earlier "scary" driving characteristics.. However, you are aware of the rear mass... turn in too aggresively and it will step out... Also, front is a bit light and likes to turn in on the brakes. But, get it right and you will be amazed by the traction on corner exit. Compared to a 911 of any generation, a Boxter/Cayman is super simple friendly car to drive..
Dec 23, 2019, 06:22 AM
#11
it really depends on which generation you drive... the later models have longer wheelbase and they have ironed a lot of the earlier "scary" driving characteristics.. However, you are aware of the rear mass... turn in too aggresively and it will step out... Also, front is a bit light and likes to turn in on the brakes. But, get it right and you will be amazed by the traction on corner exit. Compared to a 911 of any generation, a Boxter/Cayman is super simple friendly car to drive..
Dec 23, 2019, 10:51 AM
#12
The GT3 changes direction and is much more balanced compared to my evo. Now, if I had aero, big tires,more spring rate it may be closer but the GT3 was much much easier to drive at the limit. An example would be turn 2 on that track, You could get up to 102mph, stab the brakes 100 ft from the turn, and get around the corner on your cell phone. I was going nearly as fast as the instructor after a handful of laps and had the same entry speed on that corner . There was even a bump before the turn that the GT3 didn't care about .
Its a different ballgame but alot more money to get into. I'd like to own a 911 within the next 5 years along with the Evo.
Its a different ballgame but alot more money to get into. I'd like to own a 911 within the next 5 years along with the Evo.
Dec 23, 2019, 10:59 AM
#13
The GT3 changes direction and is much more balanced compared to my evo. Now, if I had aero, big tires,more spring rate it may be closer but the GT3 was much much easier to drive at the limit. An example would be turn 2 on that track, You could get up to 102mph, stab the brakes 100 ft from the turn, and get around the corner on your cell phone. I was going nearly as fast as the instructor after a handful of laps and had the same entry speed on that corner . There was even a bump before the turn that the GT3 didn't care about .
Its a different ballgame but alot more money to get into. I'd like to own a 911 within the next 5 years along with the Evo.
Its a different ballgame but alot more money to get into. I'd like to own a 911 within the next 5 years along with the Evo.
Dec 27, 2019, 05:38 PM
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Never driven a Porsche, so take and just ignore everything I am about to say, BUT...
The rear weight distro on the Porsche makes it inherently an oversteer car, but they do lots of things to compensate for it. The super wide rear tires help a lot, and all of the traction control stuff and whatever. The bottom line is that they are built from the get-go to be a performance vehicle and they are fast as CRAP on a track. I race with NASA and I can tell you that many of the fastest drivers out there are racing Porsches. They are extremely well-designed and they do what they are meant to do very very well. The oversteer thing is just something that you would have to get used to by building up to it. Should never be a real concern on the street, but if you drive on track it could take some learning.
I know that going from the Evo (very front-heavy, and therefore heavy understeer) to my RX7 (50/50 or so, much more neutral and tending towards oversteer depending on the braking/throttle situation) has been quite a learning curve. I would imagine taking the next step to a mid/rear engine car would be even more of a learning curve. Just my $0.02
The rear weight distro on the Porsche makes it inherently an oversteer car, but they do lots of things to compensate for it. The super wide rear tires help a lot, and all of the traction control stuff and whatever. The bottom line is that they are built from the get-go to be a performance vehicle and they are fast as CRAP on a track. I race with NASA and I can tell you that many of the fastest drivers out there are racing Porsches. They are extremely well-designed and they do what they are meant to do very very well. The oversteer thing is just something that you would have to get used to by building up to it. Should never be a real concern on the street, but if you drive on track it could take some learning.
I know that going from the Evo (very front-heavy, and therefore heavy understeer) to my RX7 (50/50 or so, much more neutral and tending towards oversteer depending on the braking/throttle situation) has been quite a learning curve. I would imagine taking the next step to a mid/rear engine car would be even more of a learning curve. Just my $0.02
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