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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 08:48 AM
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For what it's worth, I configured similar Boxster S and Carrera 2 'verts:

Boxster S - $65,225
Carrera Cabriolet - $91,095

It'd be very easy to add another $10,000-20,000 of options to each.

I'm not sure what my point is here, except that the cost delta between them is larger than people seem to think.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by loj68
the Boxster has non of the rigidity issues you mention. It's a dedicated sports car with a super strong and super stiff chassis that does not flex whatsoever. That is part of what helps the car be such an amazing handling machine. Read all the reviews in the car mags and you'll see they all mention the stiff chassis. You've got to remember that unlike most convertibles, the Boxster was designed from the ground up as a roadster so the sports car stiffness in the chassis was there from the beginning.
Same with the S2000. They both have frames that are very stiff torsionally - unlike 'afterthought' convertibles.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 08:54 AM
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Mr2 is an interesting idea. I believe that is the same engine that lotus uses for the elise. (but w/ 190hp) Its almost as light aswell. Not sure about the handling
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 08:58 AM
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Mr2 is an interesting idea. I believe that is the same engine that lotus uses for the elise. (but w/ 190hp) Its almost as light aswell. Not sure about the handling
nope the MR2 or rather the MR-S does not use the same engine as the new lotus elise. The new lotus elise uses the celica engine with the VVLT-i. The MR-S comes with the engine thats rated at a much lower HP. I believe its like 130hp or something.

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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:00 AM
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They rushed the entire Boxster design in a hurry b/c they realized that a bunch of people wanted real Porsches but didn't have good enough jobs to pay for one. Instead, they decided to Bastardize the Porsche name and make themselves an expensive Miata for women, rich kids, and uh, i guess men that are SUPER secure about their manhood.

that's quite possibly the dumbest thing posted yet on this thread. Pure uneducated opinion. I bet you didn't know that many parts of the 996 were based around the Boxster and not vice versa. That's just for starters. I'd suggest doing a bit more reading up on the subject.

It's also funny you think that roadsters are "woman" cars. It's just so dumb it's hard to respond. Miata's and Boxsters are dedicated sports cars......that's hardly feminine.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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nope the MR2 or rather the MR-S does not use the same engine as the new lotus elise. The new lotus elise uses the celica engine with the VVLT-i. The MR-S comes with the engine thats rated at a much lower HP. I believe its like 130hp or something.

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yeah, the MR-S comes stock with an aluminum version of the 1.8L vvt-i engine....same one as in the base Celica GT. It pushes out 138hp stock.....but in a car that only weighs 2195lbs that's still a pretty kind power/weight ratio. Plus you can drop the GT-S motor in there too and get 190hp......that's the engine in that MR-S in that vid in my earlier post. That thing looks to be pulling like a mad dog too!
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:09 AM
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I don't know very many poor men who have $62,000 to spend on an impractical convertible.
I was trying to show the high price and poor preformance of the Boxter. Since they have been around for some years now, I am sure you can pick up a used one for the price of a new EVO.

My question is simple...why? Just so you can say you have a Porsche? OOOHHH! The boxter IS a beautiful, but for practicality and fun, stick with an EVO, IMO.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GreedMOTO
I was trying to show the high price and poor preformance of the Boxter. Since they have been around for some years now, I am sure you can pick up a used one for the price of a new EVO.

My question is simple...why? Just so you can say you have a Porsche? OOOHHH! The boxter IS a beautiful, but for practicality and fun, stick with an EVO, IMO.
I agree with the high price - relative to the S2000 or 350Z 'vert. Poor performance? I guess coming from an Evo, yes it's a bit slow, but most other cars are, too.

Why? The Evo isn't a convertible, is it? Driving without a roof over your head is a very different experience. There are days when driving slow in a convertible is incredibly enjoyable, more so than hauling *** in a souped up economy car ever will be*. If you can't appreciate that, you'll never understand why someone would buy a Boxster (or a 911 Cab for that matter). Loj68 has another vehicle to serve as the grocery getter, so the practicality is a non-issue.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:25 AM
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Forgot to explain my *!

* I love hauling *** in this particular souped up economy car... boost > crack... but some days I don't want the roof over me.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GreedMOTO
I was trying to show the high price and poor preformance of the Boxter. Since they have been around for some years now, I am sure you can pick up a used one for the price of a new EVO.

My question is simple...why? Just so you can say you have a Porsche? OOOHHH! The boxter IS a beautiful, but for practicality and fun, stick with an EVO, IMO.

because they don't make mid-engine EVO convertible roadsters with anything near the level of Porsche refinement that's why
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by loj68
that's quite possibly the dumbest thing posted yet on this thread. Pure uneducated opinion. I bet you didn't know that many parts of the 996 were based around the Boxster and not vice versa. That's just for starters. I'd suggest doing a bit more reading up on the subject.

It's also funny you think that roadsters are "woman" cars. It's just so dumb it's hard to respond. Miata's and Boxsters are dedicated sports cars......that's hardly feminine.

Sigh. Ok, lets stop with the cheap shots, and calling people "dumb" and we can continue to talk.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
For what it's worth, I configured similar Boxster S and Carrera 2 'verts:

Boxster S - $65,225
Carrera Cabriolet - $91,095

It'd be very easy to add another $10,000-20,000 of options to each.

I'm not sure what my point is here, except that the cost delta between them is larger than people seem to think.

This misses the point, however, b/c the issue is whether one is more or less of a sports car than the other. At the point where we're not trying to decide which "roadster" is better, theres no reason we need to compare the Boxster to the Carrera Convertible.

The Carrera COUPE starts at around 65,000 i believe.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:37 AM
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The MR2 isn't a bad idea. A Celica GT-S engine swap isn't a bad idea either. Why? Guess what... there is a TRD supercharger in development for the GT-S's engine (already out for the GTs). Can you say an MR2 with 220HP, and maybe 160-170lb-ft?

MR2's aren't exactly bad handlers either, as most MR2 drivers can still show Miatas the door.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by loj68
well, it's been named "Best Sports Car" by Motorweek and Automobile (in 2004 too) magazines, made the 10 Best in Car & Driver multiple times, and a laundry list of "best sports car" awards from lesser known publications and foreign motoring press. A Google search will give you further details.....these are the first few that came up on my search.
. . . honors that all figure in PRICE as a factor. Same reason why the G35 beats out the 3 series.

Originally Posted by loj68
there is absolutely a price/class correlation.....you're taking this purely on performance only.....that's only part of the equation. A $20k Dodge can run circles around a Rolls Royce and a Maybach too but there are clearly other factors at work there. When you get out of a Honda and into a Porsche you most definitely know they're not in the same class before you even turn the key.
But thats what the issue was, is PERFORMANCE. if we're going to start comparing luxuries and a wealth of other categories like reliability, maintenance costs, etc. etc. . . we would drift more and more from the original point.


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intake/header/exhaust will get those kind of gains according to info on their forums.
Yeah, but no one with a porsche likes to throw it on a dyno. Unless its chipped, an intake header exhuast will NOT make 30hp. But interestingly enough, how much improvement these mods make over stock is a function of how POORLY engineered the stock parts are to begin with (and often times, of course, a function of emissions). Take, for example, the old f-bodies, or even the old eclipse turbos. Those mods made big power. On the evo, in contrast, an intake and exhuast makes very little power, in fact, around 20 at most (and thats on a TURBOCHARGED car). So, if indeed those mods would make 30hp on an N/A car, that reflects poorly on how the stock parts are quality-wise.



Originally Posted by loj68
the Boxster has non of the rigidity issues you mention. It's a dedicated sports car with a super strong and super stiff chassis that does not flex whatsoever. That is part of what helps the car be such an amazing handling machine. Read all the reviews in the car mags and you'll see they all mention the stiff chassis. You've got to remember that unlike most convertibles, the Boxster was designed from the ground up as a roadster so the sports car stiffness in the chassis was there from the beginning.
Ok, let me try to make this clearer. The Boxster may be more "rigid" than other similar convertibles, but it will never be more rigid than the SAME car with the SAME design MINUS the soft-top. Theres no way it "does not flex whatsoever" because physics is physics. Hell, the ENZO flexes. . . its just a matter of how little it flexes.
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Old Jul 2, 2004 | 09:47 AM
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The MR2 isn't a bad idea. A Celica GT-S engine swap isn't a bad idea either. Why? Guess what... there is a TRD supercharger in development for the GT-S's engine (already out for the GTs). Can you say an MR2 with 220HP, and maybe 160-170lb-ft?

MR2's aren't exactly bad handlers either, as most MR2 drivers can still show Miatas the door.

hell yeah man....that's what I'm talkin' about. There's some guys on their forums that are already putting superchargers and turbo's on them and making some good power. As light as those cars are you don't need much over 200hp to make it STOOPID fast.
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