i am not a mod but i can read it

click on 4ukc and click on his iTrader

interesting that seller has totally ignored this thread about him but had the time to write a review about the buyer today.

 

Wow. I know I will be ignoring his future for sale threads.

Seems like the he feels his hands are washed clean. I dont know why the OP waited so long to check the turbo, but I still do not like the way the situation has been and is being handled.

 

I see at least two explanations for his silence.

First, he could be one of those people who doesn't speak unless he or she has something new to say. Yes, I realize that such people are rare on the internet, but they do exist.

Second, he could have noticed that most of us still posting are making absolute fools of ourselves, with bad logic, silly +1 comments, or failures to know how the website works, and from this has concluded that continued silence is wise.

Either way, I am going to try harder to emulate him.

 

Or third option:

He doesn't have to say anything because there are a few mods that are constantly going to bat for him after each piece of evidence that the buyer has produced. All he has to do is wait this out and he won't have to deal with the issue.

Not only will I not buy from this Anarchy99 dude, but if I have an issue with a future transaction (outside of being scammed), I know now not to waste my time posting in this section for resolution. Seems like you mods made up your mind in the first page, based on this sellers "Stellar" rating.

 

If the seller had 5 itrader points I bet everyone wouldn't be treating this guy like he is jesus.

 

There are some definite points you have there however its more along the lines of the fact that I don't have thread subscriptions enabled and I havent posted in the thread in quite a while and it doesn't show up under the recent "my posts" tab.

Someone I've bought or sold to in the past contacted me to let me know that there were additional posts in the thread, that I have been catching up on and are all over the map.

6765
Here in 4ukc's screen shot he claims that Precision sent him an email referencing his 6765 and they told him there there are no problems with the turbo. He had "minor" contaminated oil run through it from the FIRST ENGINE START OF A NEW MOTOR build if that is even the same turbo I mailed him 6 MONTHS AGO. His tuner did not prime the turbo and it took who knows how long for oil to reach the turbo bearings. How much heat was generated by that time? There is just so many impossible questions to answer.

The turbo was shipped SIX MONTHS AGO to him and was wrapped in plastic. After he opened and inspected it, it did NOT have any dust caps on it to prevent airborn particles from entering the oil feed and drain holes. Where was the turbo stored? On the shelf? In a box? In a dirty workshop? In an engine building "clean room"? God only knows.

Precision turbo is a BUSINESS with payroll and employees to pay. There is not a business that I am aware of that will take in your product for inspection and tell you "yup everything looks great, we aren't interested in selling you a service." They clearly indicated there were no problems and would gladly take your money and spray brake cleaner at your bearings and swap out the orings.

I could guarantee if I bought some injectors new from XXXX motorsport, started the car with them, and mailed them back an injector shop, they would tell me that they need to clean and flow test them and give me a bill.

All these pages of nonsense about this yellow paint dot on the oil feed line and how he inferred the turbo was taken apart or out of balance etc. There was never a mention of any of that by Precision on whatever turbo was sent to them for "inspection", an inspection that determined that the turbo was fine. Even after they write that to him, he continues to reference it as "bad turbo" in subsequent posts.

In his complaints section of the form to PTE he claims that "it smokes". There was no mention by PTE of any indication of the turbo "smoking". The tuner if anyone remembers told 4ukc "yeah man this turbo is done". They used it anyway and then "confirmed" that it was a "bad turbo", yet once they send it in PTE says that they see nothing wrong with the turbo besides minor oil contamination. So both him and his tuner claim the turbo is "done" and now the manufacturer says theres no problem with it, but while they have it can offer a cleaning service for a fee.

They were sure it was a "dead turbo", they were certain there was a missing yellow dot on the oil feedline that indicated shennanigans. This was of course before a well known gold evom seller posted a pic of the same PTE BB turbo genre on the shelf in his office without a yellow dot.

This whole cat and mouse game is exhausting where every day there is some new accusation, some new conspiracy theory from ukc as to confirm his schizophrenic ideas that he was sold a bad turbo.



They go on to say that there could have been "inefficient oil pressure" from the head where "dirty unfiltered oil" at lower pressures come from. Especially extra dirty oil from new builds that could be contaminated from dust at assembly, from machining of the head, any headwork, etc. They also mentioned the size of oil feed line they recommended and no where is it indicated that he has the correct size oil feed line used in the new build. Again too many questions, not enough answers.

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Any at the 11th hour, after half a year since the sale and reading a number of messages claiming to be from PTE indicating the turbo had no issues and the noise was caused by minor debris, likely from a new engine build, unclean work area, a turbo sitting around collecting dust for 5 months who knows where before install, an unknown feed and drain line size used and without the proper priming of turbo with oil and oil pressure before INITIAL NEW ENGINE BUILD STARTUP, the latest claim is that it is an entirely different turbo size than the one I sold him?

I know what I sent him. I know what it sounded like when it was on the car. I know how long it took to spin down after shutdown as the bearing condition was excellent. It made no abnormal noise when it was running on the car it came off of.

However 5 months later after its halfway around the world in Ukraine, it shrinks down, a yellow paint dot vanishes off of it, it ingests contaminated oil somewhere between FL and Russia, it stores itself who knows where for its 5 month hibernation, it becomes a "dead turbo" at startup before graduating to a "bad turbo", prior to some model Precision turbo (as he had multiple ones in his possession) being sent to PTE where they deemed it all of a sudden a great turbo and while in there sold him a cleaning service. Then after six months at the 11th hour when indications of "bad turbo" have been disproved by the manufacturer, proceeds to post a measurement photo claiming to be a PTE wheel measuring 62.2mm and alleging it is from the turbo I sold him 6 months ago.

I know what I sent him and this deal has been an exhausting, stressful and disappointing experience from reading his day to day wild allegations and fact lacking opinions to his ridiculous blackmailish PM demands and accusations which were all disproved to the point where now with nothing left to prove any wrongdoing over as his "dead turbo" which was deemed "much alive and well", an entirely new claim of "turbo shrinkage" 6 months after the sale.

4ukc's newest claim that I sent him a an entirely different turbo is so outlandish that I am at a loss for words. Despite all his claims of shipping him a bad turbo and them being disproved and his word given that he would clear this up if he wrongly assumed the turbo was "no good". I will not speculate as to who shipped what turbo to PTE for inspection and if in the chain of custody over the last SIX MONTHS. I can only account for what I shipped to him in UKRAINE. What took place from that point on over the next half a year I will likely never know the truth about.

I don't know what else I could have done differently besides maybe only deal with domestic members or only known prior buyers or sellers? I just don't know enough about this member or shop he used to build his motor and install/ship his turbo to PTE to speculate as to what could have happened to cause all this drama.

 

you see only words you want to see.

as I already posted here I have sent your turbo as 6765 to PTE and thaat was the reason in first mail from them to call it 6765 (I did attache the return form also), they were operating data from my Turbo Return Form, and when I asked them to upgrade it it appered that you cheated me and sold me 6265 instead of 6765. I didnt believe the mail I got from them and asket to measure the induce wheel - they did it and you also can see the measurement result 62.2 mm doesnt seem to be the inducer wheel of 6765

as for blackmouthing over PM I never did that in all my messges I was and I am polite and operating only facts

as for you statement at my iTrader rating I can say only one thing I can prove that my 6262 is still sitting at my Evo and I did send to PT yor aka"6765"

also you are a bit bad in mathematics you sold me turbo in the midle of the November delayed shipping for 10-12 days so lets count mibdle its ok and my thread was started on 5th of march so = 3.5 month and I have reasons for that and this is the only thing that gives you out of jail free card by administration

and one more thing any one could me on my place, bad luck that it happened to me but I think that if turbo was good (but it was not) everybody after dyno would ask miself and tuner were is 600+awhp I should get using 6765........and the story would also begin not fast and you would be also safe because time would pass and you would say ah 1 or 2 or 3 month passed get out men

evrth is undestood with you plz continue selling 20-50$ old junk as you do now and increase your ratings, but once someone will give you a lesson worth 1+K$ as you gave to me

 

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I find no clear or indisputable evidence of wrongdoing. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. It just means we don't act unless the evidence is overwhelming that the situation is an attempt to scam. You can dislike that we do not share your opinion, but we don't go around banning people based on one person's disputed evidence.

I am closing the thread based on the other section of our rules below (and because you are venturing into the land of flaming). If either the OP or Seller request to have the thread re-opened based on new information, PM me.

 

Re-opened for additional information.

 

here is some fresh info, plz check all underlined sentences carefully :

my questions are at the botoms of the e-mails and at the top replies by AMS



info from AMS:

 

I have nothing really useful to say ("as usual" I hear someone whispering) , but people have been annoyed by (a) my apparent taking of sides when all I intend to do is focus on logic and (b) my over-focus on bad logic as opposed to good logic. So forgive me in advance for posting that I find 4ukc's post to be highly convincing and look forward to reading Anarchy's reply.

 

Please excuse me if it was already posted but ... I see from what 4ukc posted that the New style 900x kit comes with the 6266. Has it been confirmed that the old came style 900x came with a 6265?

 

Yes, it says it right in the email..

 

yes I have posted all the history showing what turbos are nad were offered in 900x kit (all important data is underlined by red) the most important is last e-mail from AMS where they say that 6765 was never offered in 900x kit

 

Yes, you have very good evidence that you were not sent a 6765 and that you were sent a 6265. The question of what killed what you were sent is still open (in my mind), but your evidence that you were not sent what you paid for is quite good. Now we wait for a reply.