You played out this weekend???

 

Umm, yeah, I've only been telling you about it since the last time I played out! Old timers is setting in early!

 

I don't think you have the right idea of how a clutch can fail Paul. You barely use it on the road course, I am just hoping that it will shift at 8k and it sounds like it will. You stress the clutch when you launch the car, or overcome its torque capacity. The ACT HDSS is rated for 495 ft lbs, it should be fine for me.

Get your *** back here and go to some road races. All you have to do is sign up and drive. If you just want to go hang out at an event it is free.

 

I used the crap out of my clutch!! Up shifting and down shifting ALOT! Heat is what will fail a clutch on a road course.

 

hey nick, let me know how that clutch goes for you -- I hope I don't need one soon (only at 15k) but if I need one I too am looking for either 1) used twin or 2) something long the same price you are looking at...

 

Nick....I have replaced 9 evo clutchs and I am on the 4th in my EVO...I think I know what makes one fail...ME. This next one should be it for me. The HD Twin. When it goes out the engine comes out with it and gets a rebuild....hmm maybe even stroked who knows.

As for getting my *** on the road course, Trust me....I am there for the september and october events. I don't have nearly $8k in parts at my house for nothing. I will be spending quite a few sleepless nights in the garage getting it all together when I get home.

 

I have almost 40k on the stock clutch and it's been around Mid-Ohio a few times (and my 4-3 into the carousel is not always pretty). I keep telling you younguns to learn to shift without the clutch and you'll get the feel for how to take the load off the driveline.

Dave

 

The only thing that will kill your clutch on a roadcourse would be the driver. Shifting doesn't generate very much heat unless you are slipping it a lot, or riding the pedal between shifts. Auto-x is MUCH harder on the clutch, standing start launches eat up disks, as Paul knows.

 

Sure its the driver, It takes a bit to master the heel toe, and match the revs corectly. I unfortunatly have not masterd that, so my poor clutch took some abuse. Dave, I"m to scared to try and shift with out the clutch, its something in my brain just says NO. I disagree about autox being harder. I dont launch my car, and onceI shift to second its there the whole course.

 

Well sure auto-x would be easy on the clutch if you don't launch, but what's the point then?

 

why launch when you dont need to!

 

You can upshift and downshift without building heat. As Dave says you need to learn how to shift the car without the clutch, the good news is you can do this while using the clutch. Doens't make sense huh? When you shift without the clutch you are just rev matching. We are all familiar with rev matching on the downshift, but on the upshift it requires a momentary pause before the motor idles down to the tranny speed. Practice with the clutch until you are smooth enough not to feel the clutch engage at all. Once you start doing this all the time your clutch will last forever. My stocker has 40k and I don't necessarily need a new one, but I like to launch it every now and then and would like to cut a little better than a 1.79 60'.

And Paul you are right, you are definitely the problem in that equation.
What clutches have you been through, and do you seriously launch the car that often?

 

I dont understand what you mean... Dave shifts with out using the clutch. Your saying to shift while practicing with the cluthch?? what do you mean, maybe I just dont understand teh wording.. It wasnt till recently I heard of people shifting with out using the clutch.

And Paul Launches at every stop! The first time I met him I was like WTF is with this dude. It was a race from everystop!

 

Hahaha that's why I said "doesn't make sense huh?". When you shift without the clutch you have to blip the throttle on the downshift and it will just slide into gear when the revs perfectly match. On the upshift you pull it out of gear and it will slide into the next gear after the engine has dropped enough speed to match the tranny. If you have no sense of feeling in your hands you can cause serious damage to your synchros the first time you attempt this. So I proposed doing the same thing, but use the clutch. Just get to the point that you do not feel the car lurch when you disengage the clutch. I feel like when I am doing it right I am only hitting the clutch pedal to go through the motion, I am certainly not using it help match the two speeds (engine and tranny). Next time you are driving, shift from 3rd to 4th at an easy pace somewhere around 3-4k rpm without the clutch. Just slowly lift off the gas, pull it out of gear (don't jerk it out) bring it to the gate of 4th and apply light pressure until it slips in (no pun intended). Then you will have a better understanding of what we are talking about. Do it somewhat quickly because if the revs drop too much it won't go in.

 

man that still is a wierd thought! To blip the throttle on a down shift the clutch would have to be in?? or do you pull it into neutral then hit the gas, then pull to the next gear?