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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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Mr. McCall's "dynojet" numbers are closer to 330-335 whp/295-300 tq. Them IX's are sure showing some good hp.

.........but then again, so are the 07' STI's.

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How can they be that high Dave, or are we just talking about the difference between a Mustang Dyno and a Dynojet? Hell, I'm pulling 280ish whp and wtq on a Mustang dyno and my car goes like a bat-out-of-hell.

Is that Dyno below sea-level or what?
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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I also have a IX but i am no where close to those number on 93oct, but then again I dont have a o2 housing or the 100cell cat.

Maybe the diff in hp is due to the boost creeping of the o2 or just my mod really sucks, lol



Originally Posted by Silencer
Mr. McCall's "dynojet" numbers are closer to 330-335 whp/295-300 tq. Them IX's are sure showing some good hp.

.........but then again, so are the 07' STI's.

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cityhugo
I also have a IX but i am no where close to those number on 93oct, but then again I dont have a o2 housing or the 100cell cat.

Maybe the diff in hp is due to the boost creeping of the o2 or just my mod really sucks, lol
Now you guys have me very curious. I thought my numbers were just about the norm. Of course every dyno, even if they are the same brand, is different so it's hard to have a true comparison.

I'm going to a meet tonight and my tuner will be there. I'll see if he can give me a screen capture of my boost/timing/knock for that dyno run and I'll try a post a picture. That run was in done in 4th so if there was any creep I'm sure it will be easy to see.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 01:28 PM
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Which rule is deemed to allow O2 housings in STU? I'm having trouble identifying it. (http://www.scca.org/_filelibrary/Fil...solo_rules.pdf)

Also, has the SEB defined what is meant by a "high flow" cat? Where do you draw the line between something that is essentially a faux cat converter and one that is a functional cat? With these 100 cell cats, do you need to do a CEL fix, or do they actually satisfy the ODD-II system?

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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The O2 housing isn't part of the turbo, it's aft of the turbo and is deemed upgradable. Eg: When STi's upgrade their downpipe, it pretty much incorporates the O2 and downpipe into one. The EVO just happens to split the 2 (into an O2 and DP).

Yeah the 100 cell race race is a gray area people are getting away with right now, its almost taking the HFC to the level of test pipes ... wish the rules were a little more clearly defined ... but given the allowed modification the benefit compared to a normal HFC is probably 2-5WHP.

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
The O2 housing isn't part of the turbo, it's aft of the turbo and is deemed upgradable. Eg: When STi's upgrade their downpipe, it pretty much incorporates the O2 and downpipe into one. The EVO just happens to split the 2 (into an O2 and DP).

Yeah the 100 cell race race is a gray area people are getting away with right now, it almost taking the HFC to the level of test pipes ... wish the rules were a little more clearly defined ... but given the allowed modification the benefit compared to a normal HFC is probably 2-5WHP.
Yep. DWP pretty much covered it. I think the reason the O2 housing is separate unlike the STi is packaging. I couldn't imagine trying to bolt-on a down-pipe that had a 90 degree and then another 90 degree bend at the end. And Rich, yes the race cat satisfies the OBD-II system (no CELs) and should pass emissions no problem.

As far as calling it basically a test-pipe, I have to disagree. For example, on the dyno day I went to, the first three cars were sans cats and they were popping/smokey/flames/smelly etc. I pulled mine on and ran it with no smell, pops, etc and it was much quieter than the others. It's definitely doing its job.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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I'd say any cat in place that enables the car to pass an emissions test is deemed legal for STU.

"The Street Touring category of vehicle modifications is meant to fit
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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The problem is the emission test isn't defined clearly at a federal level and varies from state to state. California has stricter emissions than Nebraska, etc ... A lot of these HFCs would fail the California state emissions from just a visual perspective ... with that I digress before this turns into a SCCAFORUMs type discussion.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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Well, if you wanted to read into it a little further, being that it says 'modifications which are fully legal and compatible with street use anywhere in the country' I'd say you'd have to abide by the most stringent emissions test that is currently employed in the states. By that wording alone, if it doesn't pass a CA emission test, it's illegal. That's just how I translate it- I agree it should be a little bit more defined.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ Drive
'modifications which are fully legal and compatible with street use anywhere in the country'
That went out the window the moment they (SCCA) allowed the WRX to consolidate 3 factory cats into 1 HFC ...
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
That went out the window the moment they (SCCA) allowed the WRX to consolidate 3 factory cats into 1 HFC ...
I see your point! Until then, anyone up for test pipes with welded-on catalytic converter casings? Not like the thought hasn't run through my head several times...
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cityhugo
Is a very good thing for STU

I just dont want to show up in one of the bigger events then find out I am 20-25hp down from everyone else, not that I will win anything, but is good to know.
How about being down 100hp and 90ft.lbs to a STOCK Evo or STi? Welcome to my hell.

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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Mike, are you still running the 255's? or did you bump up to 265/275 with a raised ride height this year?

Good luck in DC!

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Nah, I decided to run 245s this year...



on an Evo IX

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RacerMike
How about being down 100hp and 90ft.lbs to a STOCK Evo or STi? Welcome to my hell.

Mike
That's funny! However, I get my @$$ handed to me on a regular basis (in BSP) by one of the local E30 M3 guys.
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Mac
How can they be that high Dave, or are we just talking about the difference between a Mustang Dyno and a Dynojet? Hell, I'm pulling 280ish whp and wtq on a Mustang dyno and my car goes like a bat-out-of-hell.
Yes, only talking about the different numbers between the 2 dynos.

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