Comprehensive Evo STU prep thread?
Dave
What I hate about STU is that being a '03 owner I am without a torsen LSD, ACD and MIVEC. The IXs have a significant advantage because of this.
This is where NASA is better. There update rules are way better in that you can pick and choose what you want to update from year to year, so I could add an OEM LSD and MIVEC system if I chose to, albeit with a points penatly.
This is where NASA is better. There update rules are way better in that you can pick and choose what you want to update from year to year, so I could add an OEM LSD and MIVEC system if I chose to, albeit with a points penatly.
What I've come to realize is that, if you do become a really good driver and you have national aspirations, you'll have a better shot if you just buy the car (or co-drive the car) for the class... Honda S2000 in A Stock, 2005+ Mini Cooper S in G Stock, Mini Cooper in H Stock and probably numerous other examples.
I'm looking for a few things to determine spring rates that I haven't been able to find. Does anyone know the motion ratio of an VIII and the unsprung weight (obvioulsy not taken into account differen wheels/tires but, those weights are easily obtained)? I could do the measurements but, thought I'd check before I went through all that.
I really like the way my car is handling right now with the open front differential but I would like to but an RS diff or an aftermarket diff in down the road just because of the piece of mind of not worrying about blowing up the transfer case. Of course by the time that happens I'll be ready to jump into BSP. I do agree that allowing front and rear LSD's regardless of the make and model of the car would make sense, but then again, this is the SCCA we're talking about
Anybody see the Fastrack posted today? This was published for member comment:
Thoughts? As a recent purchaser of the STU-spec Richard Jung high flow cat, I'm hoping this doesn't go through.
Add new 14.10E, re-letter subsequent sections accordingly:
“E. Catalytic converters may be replaced by aftermarket units. Replacements must: 1) be certified for use in that vehicle application
by the manufacturer or reconditioner, 2) bear correct EPA-mandated labeling, 3) be of the OE quantity and type (i.e. oxidation,
three-way, etc.) and 4) be used in the same location(s) as the OE converter(s). This does allow for high performance replacements,
provided they meet all restrictions herein.”
NOTE: This proposal is in response to member input from STS/STS2 competitors on the recent Stock category proposal to limit
catalytic converter replacement to OE-only, and to continuing questions regarding legality of OE-equivalent aftermarket cats. The
proposal meets two primary tenets of the Street Touring category by allowing a common street tuner performance mod (i.e. hiflow
cats) while maintaining emissions legality, as defined by the EPA. For reference, the EPA regulations are summarized in the
document labeled “What You Should Know About Using, Installing, or Buying Aftermarket Catalytic Converters” which can currently
be found at .
“E. Catalytic converters may be replaced by aftermarket units. Replacements must: 1) be certified for use in that vehicle application
by the manufacturer or reconditioner, 2) bear correct EPA-mandated labeling, 3) be of the OE quantity and type (i.e. oxidation,
three-way, etc.) and 4) be used in the same location(s) as the OE converter(s). This does allow for high performance replacements,
provided they meet all restrictions herein.”
NOTE: This proposal is in response to member input from STS/STS2 competitors on the recent Stock category proposal to limit
catalytic converter replacement to OE-only, and to continuing questions regarding legality of OE-equivalent aftermarket cats. The
proposal meets two primary tenets of the Street Touring category by allowing a common street tuner performance mod (i.e. hiflow
cats) while maintaining emissions legality, as defined by the EPA. For reference, the EPA regulations are summarized in the
document labeled “What You Should Know About Using, Installing, or Buying Aftermarket Catalytic Converters” which can currently
be found at .
I'm glad I have a Random Tech HFC that meets the Federal EPA and CARB requirements. Unless there is paper work that shows the STU-spec Richard Jung HFC passes Federal EPA and CARB, it might become illegal to run such a HFC in STU.
The one that I'm most happy about is the removal of AC rule which is not allowed anymore. Goes against the philosophy of the class anyways, IMHO.
The one that I'm most happy about is the removal of AC rule which is not allowed anymore. Goes against the philosophy of the class anyways, IMHO.
High flow catalytic converters are allowed, but must attach
within six inches of the original unit. Multiple catalytic converters
may be replaced by a single unit. The inlet of the single replacement
converter may be located no further downstream than 6"
along the piping flow path from the original exit of the final OE
converter.
within six inches of the original unit. Multiple catalytic converters
may be replaced by a single unit. The inlet of the single replacement
converter may be located no further downstream than 6"
along the piping flow path from the original exit of the final OE
converter.
This has more to do with the original choice in car to run for STU, but how many of you are running the RS and have compared it to an ABS Evo? Stopping my car is a chore and I'm wondering if Mitsu made the incorrect choice in removing ABS. I have to be very sure that my wheels are straight when I try and stop or I go spinning through the cones (or just straight through them).
Does this become less of a concern with stickier tires or practice or is it always a handicap? I'm just running Hankook RS-2s on the Evo as I learn how to drive. I ran my RT-615s in one event (the slickest surface we have) and didn't feel like I had as many issues slowing, but the speeds were less than my most recent course.
-Jon
Does this become less of a concern with stickier tires or practice or is it always a handicap? I'm just running Hankook RS-2s on the Evo as I learn how to drive. I ran my RT-615s in one event (the slickest surface we have) and didn't feel like I had as many issues slowing, but the speeds were less than my most recent course.
-Jon
Does this become less of a concern with stickier tires or practice or is it always a handicap? I'm just running Hankook RS-2s on the Evo as I learn how to drive. I ran my RT-615s in one event (the slickest surface we have) and didn't feel like I had as many issues slowing, but the speeds were less than my most recent course.
-Jon
-Jon
"6. High flow catalytic converters are allowed, but must attach
within six inches of the original unit. Multiple catalytic converters
may be replaced by a single unit. The inlet of the single replacement
converter may be located no further downstream than 6"
along the piping flow path from the original exit of the final OE
converter."
If the suggested rule change was for all of Street Touring, the Random is not necessarily "certified" to be a direct replacement specifically for the Evo/STI. Most present day Hi-Flow cats on the market would be deemed illegal under this new wording in STX/STU (including my Helix). Federal and State emissions is a tricky subject to say the least.
Dave
This has more to do with the original choice in car to run for STU, but how many of you are running the RS and have compared it to an ABS Evo? Stopping my car is a chore and I'm wondering if Mitsu made the incorrect choice in removing ABS. I have to be very sure that my wheels are straight when I try and stop or I go spinning through the cones (or just straight through them).
Does this become less of a concern with stickier tires or practice or is it always a handicap? I'm just running Hankook RS-2s on the Evo as I learn how to drive. I ran my RT-615s in one event (the slickest surface we have) and didn't feel like I had as many issues slowing, but the speeds were less than my most recent course.
-Jon
Does this become less of a concern with stickier tires or practice or is it always a handicap? I'm just running Hankook RS-2s on the Evo as I learn how to drive. I ran my RT-615s in one event (the slickest surface we have) and didn't feel like I had as many issues slowing, but the speeds were less than my most recent course.
-Jon
I have not really had any situations that the RS's lack of ABS has been a problem.

Seriously though, I'm surprised more people don't bring up the EBD system. It can modulate each brake individually which I can't do with my feet. On street tires, I certainly stop better in ABS+EBD evos than in my RS. Is it worth all the extra weight that comes along with having a GSR/MR? Probably not.
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The way I've been seeing it, I can only stop as well as the tire with the worst traction. This requires smooth, straight braking or your overall braking limits go down (or you flat-spot).
In our autocross school we had a pivot cone that was preceeded by an offset. Most people with ABS could start braking as they were rounding the offset. I had to back up the braking point to before the offset so I could get the car stopped in a straight line, go around the offset, brake some more and then do the pivot.
I really committed my motorsports tires to autocross after my past weekend. All four tires are flat-spotted in some way or another.
At the same venue but in my M3 instead of the Evo, I had the "ice mode" going on where the tires didn't seem to lock up but the car wasn't stopping. The same stopping concepts applied, but I just had the safety net preventing me from flat-spotting.
-Jon
In our autocross school we had a pivot cone that was preceeded by an offset. Most people with ABS could start braking as they were rounding the offset. I had to back up the braking point to before the offset so I could get the car stopped in a straight line, go around the offset, brake some more and then do the pivot.
I really committed my motorsports tires to autocross after my past weekend. All four tires are flat-spotted in some way or another.
At the same venue but in my M3 instead of the Evo, I had the "ice mode" going on where the tires didn't seem to lock up but the car wasn't stopping. The same stopping concepts applied, but I just had the safety net preventing me from flat-spotting.
-Jon
Has anyone actually put an Evo into ice mode before? I haven't had it happen in my car ever.






