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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 12:43 AM
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Due to costs and longevity I've been told to go with the RA-1s in 255/40/17. Is this the best size to go on 8 inch wheel? Wouldn't it balloon too much at that width?

On the A046s I usually run around 35psi on the front and 33-34psi in the rear and I love the way the car behaves. What pressures are usually run on the RA-1s, and what would be equivalent to the pressures I have mentioned above?
I run 255 Neovas on stock rims in local Stock+Street tire class (not a National
class). 35 psi front is quite low... I run over 40 psi front or it roll over onto the
sidewall (A046 or Neovas).
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Brake linings doesn't mean brake lines -- it means brake pads.
Doh! I should have read that more carefully. Thanks.
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JT-KGY
I run 255 Neovas on stock rims in local Stock+Street tire class (not a National
class). 35 psi front is quite low... I run over 40 psi front or it roll over onto the
sidewall (A046 or Neovas).

Almost everyone I know runs over 40psi. At 35psi I do see a few scuff marks around the top of the sidewall, but not too much to be of any concern. I'm not suggesting it to anyone, but it seems to work for me. Once it starts getting warmer I'll probably have to run a little higher.
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Old Apr 7, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Loser
Due to costs and longevity I've been told to go with the RA-1s in 255/40/17. Is this the best size to go on 8 inch wheel? Wouldn't it balloon too much at that width?

Nope, the 255/40 works perfectly. Been doing it for 2 years.
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Loser
Due to costs and longevity I've been told to go with the RA-1s in 255/40/17. Is this the best size to go on 8 inch wheel? Wouldn't it balloon too much at that width?
It won't balloon too much and 255/40/17 can be used on the stock rim without any rubbing issues. The issue here is you most likely will not be able to get the Toyo RA1s upto the temp they work best at to get the best grip possible on a short auto-x course. They might be a step up from regular street tires but the difference will be little to none unless you can get them upto operating temps which most likely is not going to happen. If you are serious about auto-x then I would suggest Kumho V710s, Hoosier A6, Avon tech RA ...

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On the A046s I usually run around 35psi on the front and 33-34psi in the rear and I love the way the car behaves. What pressures are usually run on the RA-1s, and what would be equivalent to the pressures I have mentioned above?
The pressures you are running on the stock tires are a little to low for auto-x but you already know that coz you are wearing into the side wall. The front to rear tire pressure will depend a lot on your stock alignment settings (eg: how much camber you have front and rear, etc).

Originally Posted by Loser
Finally, wheels. Was thinking of picking up a set of Enkei RPF1s (15.6lbs) or a set of TDR Pro Race 1.2s (19.8lbs looks nicer too ) for a cheaper price. How much of an advantage does that weight difference translate to? The car and I are far from ready to compete at a national level, but it would still be nice to start building on a good setup.
IMHO, this is one of those mods that falls under the diminishing returns mod. I'm sure it makes a difference but it's next to nothing.

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This does mean steel braided brake lines can be used right? For those without ABS, does upgrading the brake lines help with detecting that fine line between optimal braking and locking up?
As Jbrennen said, can't change the brake lines in stock rules unless the car was manufactered before 1992.

My biggest problem with running in stock class is, the stock suspension isn't designed/capable of dealing with the higher grip offered by R-comp ( DOT approved ) tires ... It just feels as if one isn't utilizing the full potential of those expensive tires on the stock suspension.
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya

My biggest problem with running in stock class is, the stock suspension isn't designed/capable of dealing with the higher grip offered by R-comp ( DOT approved ) tires ... It just feels as if one isn't utilizing the full potential of those expensive tires on the stock suspension.
I agree with this 100%. When I went to Kumho V710's (of modest size: 245/45) on the stock suspension, the car would lift the inside rear wheel in cornering. It also would understeer pretty badly (correctable only with 8-10 lbs higher pressure in the rears), in spite of all the weight transfer to the front implied by lifting the rear wheel. The conclusion of a couple of national-class drivers in my car was: you don't have enough suspension for your traction level.

Note that the Evo, like many cars with front McPherson struts, is camber challenged in the sense that the more the car rolls, the less negative camber you have up front. This is not true of our rear suspension, which loses much less camber per degree of roll. This means that the more you roll the car due to cornering forces, the more it will understeer, because the front camber is reduced more than the rear camber. This can't be fixed by a stronger rear-sway bar, since, as I said, I was already lifting the inside rear wheel off the ground, and was still understeering. It can only be fixed by decreasing the roll angle, i.e. by a stiffer suspension. (After you go to a stiffer suspension, you may be able to use a stiffer rear sway bar to good effect.)

Anyway, this realization is why I'm moving to BSP this year: Stance coilovers and Buschur Stage 1. Maybe to be followed by a rear sway bar, but I'm going to test the balance of the car, first.

Michael
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
The pressures you are running on the stock tires are a little to low for auto-x but you already know that coz you are wearing into the side wall. The front to rear tire pressure will depend a lot on your stock alignment settings (eg: how much camber you have front and rear, etc).
I'm running around -1.8 camber in the front, and around -1.2 in the rear. Toe is zero up front and around -1/8th inch in the rear.

After Sunday's autox I realized that tire pressure depends a lot on the surface and type of course. The course I usually run is heavy on fast slaloms and the grip is pretty decent. On Sunday I ran a course which had a few slow speed slalom but a lot of long sweeping corners, some off camber, and the surface wasn't that great. Aside from being very very cold (someone said in the mid twenties) I found it hard to get the car to rotate on some of the long corners. So next time on such courses I'll have to try some higher pressures.
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Loser
I'm running around -1.8 camber in the front, and around -1.2 in the rear. Toe is zero up front and around -1/8th inch in the rear.
I found it hard to get the car to rotate on some of the long corners.
I would also try a little less camber rear (-1.0?) and zero toe all around.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JT-KGY
I would also try a little less camber rear (-1.0?) and zero toe all around.
Less camber in the rear is correct, but setting the rear toe to 0 will increase underseer. I'd leave the rear toe alone.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Boder
Less camber in the rear is correct, but setting the rear toe to 0 will increase underseer. I'd leave the rear toe alone.
Toe is zero up front and around -1/8th inch in the rear.

Isn't -1/8th rear means toe-in?
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JT-KGY
Toe is zero up front and around -1/8th inch in the rear.

Isn't -1/8th rear means toe-in?
Nein. Negative toe means toe out.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=4
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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I run SK1 locally in the LA region which like a stock category class, but only allows street tires.

I was thinking about running azenis in the size 275/40/17 on a stock rim. Has anyone done this? Will there be rubbing issues?
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 05:49 PM
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I'm running the 275/40/17 V710 on the fronts but that is with a ET33 wheel. I'd rather run something a little smaller but there are no sizes in between 245/45 and 275/40.

If I were you, I'd go with the 255/40/17 Azenis RT-615 instead. I know they fit.
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewF125
I run SK1 locally in the LA region which like a stock category class, but only allows street tires.

I was thinking about running azenis in the size 275/40/17 on a stock rim. Has anyone done this? Will there be rubbing issues?
Wassup andrew... !

Since we know that 275/40/17 V710 fits on Evo's stock rims with a little rub so
I wonder how does V710 stack up against RT-615s in term of dimensions.

Overall Diameter:
V710: 25.4"
615: 25.6"

Section Width:
V710: 11.4"
615: 10.8"

Weight:
V710: 25lbs
615: 28.8lbs

Other than it's a bit tall.. should fit..
Let me know if you have success..:P
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Thanks for the info Jack! See you at the next event.
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