I never said that, and I'm def not a Webber nut hugger. Simply stating that its always Webbers car. Never Seb's. Why you getting all worked up over this?

 

I kinda laughed when the announcers were talking about the chance of Seb's car failing (which was obviously real)... but they kept emphasizing that the cars were identical which I find laughable. I have a hard time believing there aren't 2014 r&d parts on MW's car.

 

Webber still handled the situation like the Pro he is

Vettle on the other hand, bowing down in front of his RB9. What a Bozo

 

Wtf power outage here and my time warner box takes long time to reboot. Missed the race from lap 20. 💔

 

Webber got kers issues again. Surprise surprise

 

And had another lousy start. Surprise surprise.

 

Dang. RB actually let Webber finish the race, I'm surprised.

Sucks for Kimi, was really gonna enjoy watching him come through the field. Another crappy race race for Hami. Stop crying Lewis, you're quickly becoming the Jeff Gordon of F1.

 

The prodigy will soon surpass Senna. We are witnessing a once in a generation driver. Even more rare then Schumacher. Shame the haters aren't appreciating the glory that is Vettel.

 

There are a few reasons. One is cost vs benefit. As you know changing F1 cars is very expensive. Red Bull may believe that they only need one driver at the top and the other to finish at a certain point lower to win the constructors. That's where the money is. It could also be that Vettel is able to make better use of it. I read that it required a driver to have a lot of faith in getting on the throttle long before their brain thinks they should in order to benefit from it. Also we have to face it. Vettel basically grew up in F1 as a blank slate with Newey. He probably is more pliable and easily accepts and trust what Newey tells him he has to do to get the most of the car, even if it goes against the survival mechanism in his brain. Webber is no slouch. But he is older and has been around longer. It's the teaching old dogs new tricks situation.

As time went on I'm sure Red Bull realized Seb was their future and like any GOOD company they started optimizing for the money maker. They had the choice of making cars that sacrifice some performance but fit both their drivers or the can design cars that fit sebastian and are compromised slightly for webbers driving style. That's what an efficient smart company would do. They knew Mark was good enough to finish top 5 to 8 and with Vettel on the podium everytime they could win.

But I'm guessing on this just to explain to the disbelievers of Vettels dominance. It could be they have equal equipment and Vettel is that much better. I mean Mark doesn't need to care what he says and he isn't saying his car is slower. He is saying Vettel is faster in it.

The conspiracy theory's are hilarious and go against basic logic. Red Bull doesn't get paid off the drivers championship. They get paid off constructors. Why would the shoot themselves in the foot just to mess with mark?

The fact that Red Bull has been as reliable as it has been is amazing. It's known that Newey sacrifices for the most aero package meaning if it means something (alternator) may get hotter but closing a vent up will increase downforce or speed, he does it.

The red bull is a work if Aero art. It's evolved from a car with downforce and slow top speed to a car with high top speed and great downforce That's an amazing accomplishment in aero. Usually they sacrifice one for the other.

In the end, the haters or disbelievers and conspiracy theorist need to stop viewing it as just a Vettel vs webber thing and view it from a CEO of a company. I bet the decisions Red Bull made over the years is not far off from the ones YOU would have made if you were in charge and responsible for creating a profitable team. It's nothing personal towards Webber. It's business and business doesn't have emotions. Fairness is based on who or what will make the company more successful. In sales the best salesman get treated better than the average one EVEN if the average one is a "nice".

Just my .02 cents.

 

I don't think anyone doubts that the RB cars from 2011 on (and possibly even 2010) were designed to maximize Vettel's skill set and driving style. But Webber still gets an occasional pole and usually isn't that far off in qualifying. So while I understand your point about old dog/new tricks, it only seems to play out during the race. In Abu Dhabi MW got the pole; Seb was more than a second/lap faster for almost the entirety of the race after that, until his engineer finally convinced him to take it easy.

I still believe MW is running 2014 R&D parts or is being treated as validation platform of their modeling - basically seeing how far they can push certain parts/systems before they fail. His car shows plenty of speed in qualifying (despite being optimized for Seb) but seems to run into a lot of troubles during races.

And nothing really explains the Japan switcheroo. There was no real benefit to finishing 1-2 vs 2-1 at that point. The only upside is marketing - selling Seb as a 4 timer with this huge # of wins and whatnot... chasing records, etc. There's no marketing value for MW.

 

That my friend was .03

After writing 50 informative emails daily at work I dont have the strength for that level of written explanation. I read every word & agree w/you

Too bad we all dont live closer for an EVO / F1 watch meet. We'd have a lot to talk about

 

i agree with WestSideBilly, they using webber as sacrificial lamb to test parts.

 

I know it can't be easy to launch an F1 car with all that power and RWD but it is truly shocking how awful Webber is at it! If he could've got out in front it would made things more interesting. We are seeing history with Vettel here but it would be nice not to see him run away with every race. I really like Hulkenburg and hope he can get a good seat next year. I think if he could've got that red bull seat he would've given seb a run for his money.

 

Well it's all opinion on our part since we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but logic tells me it's business not personal. I doubt they rig webbers car to break, they want the points. But IF they do favor Seb, that's a logical business choice. Even if Webber didn't retire this year, he is starting the downside slope of his performance curve where Seb is on the upside getting better. He is the future.

I think a lot of people fail to see F1 for what it is, very cut throat and probably the definition of the survival of the fittest. Every lap the car does costs tons of money. They have to get the most efficient use out of it.

Mark seems like a cool guy. Also seems like with the pressure off him lately he has been slowly admitting Vettel is in a league of his own. I hope Webber does well in Porsche.

And on a side note, it will be a tragedy if the Hulk doesn't get a good car next year. Ferrari screwed up. Hulk was long term, Kimi doesn't have long. Hopefully at least lotus grab him. Kind of wish red bull did but I understand they want to promote from within.

 

Absolutely business. Using MW to R&D is the best way to balance testing needs while still getting some points some of the time.

Early in the season emphasis would be on results. Once it was clear that RB was going to run away with the constructor's championship, 2014 testing would be on.