2016 STU Discussion!
I would like to improve my car to be fun to drive and as competitive as it can be at this time. If car can do 60 sec run today on a given course, the same car in STU trim will be faster. All I am asking is what you think how much faster that could be with mods allowed in STU. Nothing more and nothing less.
I say come to ASP, way WAY more fun than STU! 
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I am not sure if I would call it focus (unless you mean RS one), but rather I don't feel it the way it should be felt/I felt it before...
All this aside, any other thoughts on how much would BS EVO X benefit from all of the STU mods?
Since I am thinking a bit more about this lately, one major problem this car has is soft springs and this is one of the things that can be fixed! Camber can be also dialed in much better than it is on BS car.
It can lose some weight too and from what I can see around 150 lb (seats, battery, and perhaps some other things I am not aware at this time) to bring it in 3300 lb range. Still porky, but better than BS car for sure!
Car has 275s right now, but they are probably rounded up a bit and not as stretched as 265 could be on 10.5" rims or so, for example. Those should work mach better for sure, so that would be additional help.
Car can have more power from fuel and timing alone, plus more flowing exhaust. Not sure if hi-flow cat can be used, which would help too. Either way, extra power should drop times down as well.
Car has double adjustable shocks, and third adjustment can be added, so compression can be properly adjusted for a change. Currently, high speed adjuster is almost not useful, and a bit of low speed that car needs, can not be easily added (aside from rebuild). Looks like another plus on the list!
Finally, car can be dropped down some, so that should help a bit too.
At the end, all of this looks like at least 1.5 second worth if not even more form where the car is now.
How sane is this rumbling?
All this aside, any other thoughts on how much would BS EVO X benefit from all of the STU mods?
Since I am thinking a bit more about this lately, one major problem this car has is soft springs and this is one of the things that can be fixed! Camber can be also dialed in much better than it is on BS car.
It can lose some weight too and from what I can see around 150 lb (seats, battery, and perhaps some other things I am not aware at this time) to bring it in 3300 lb range. Still porky, but better than BS car for sure!
Car has 275s right now, but they are probably rounded up a bit and not as stretched as 265 could be on 10.5" rims or so, for example. Those should work mach better for sure, so that would be additional help.
Car can have more power from fuel and timing alone, plus more flowing exhaust. Not sure if hi-flow cat can be used, which would help too. Either way, extra power should drop times down as well.
Car has double adjustable shocks, and third adjustment can be added, so compression can be properly adjusted for a change. Currently, high speed adjuster is almost not useful, and a bit of low speed that car needs, can not be easily added (aside from rebuild). Looks like another plus on the list!
Finally, car can be dropped down some, so that should help a bit too.
At the end, all of this looks like at least 1.5 second worth if not even more form where the car is now.
How sane is this rumbling?
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For some reason you guys can not get out of that STU competitiveness and were the car will be. I have never asked anything about that, but most of the answers are about that for whatever reason.
There are few bolts on that STU rules set allows over the B-Street rule set. If the same car does 60 second run on a given course, the same car with few mods will be faster than that. Perhaps, it could do flat 59 sec run. Or, maybe low 58s. High 57s perhaps?
Each turn BS car takes it takes longer for car to set due to the soft suspension. Stiffer springs on its own will decrease this time for each turn. A hundred of a second on each cone? Two hundred? Half a tenth?
One thing is for sure and that is that car with these mods will be faster then without them. I do have my guesstimate and I wrote it previously. Since this is the place with most knowledgeable guys about these cars, I was wondering what others think about this. But, this somehow got lost in translation and I am getting answers nobody is asking about...
There are few bolts on that STU rules set allows over the B-Street rule set. If the same car does 60 second run on a given course, the same car with few mods will be faster than that. Perhaps, it could do flat 59 sec run. Or, maybe low 58s. High 57s perhaps?
Each turn BS car takes it takes longer for car to set due to the soft suspension. Stiffer springs on its own will decrease this time for each turn. A hundred of a second on each cone? Two hundred? Half a tenth?
One thing is for sure and that is that car with these mods will be faster then without them. I do have my guesstimate and I wrote it previously. Since this is the place with most knowledgeable guys about these cars, I was wondering what others think about this. But, this somehow got lost in translation and I am getting answers nobody is asking about...
No one can tell you objectively how much faster the car will be. Too many variables.
I can tell you that subjectively my Evo was way, way more fun to drive with proper suspension. That said, ASP is even betterer. Too bad Justin's car had too many failures. We're starting to forget how painful it was and might try again in the not too distant future...
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No one can tell you objectively how much faster the car will be. Too many variables.
I can tell you that subjectively my Evo was way, way more fun to drive with proper suspension. That said, ASP is even betterer. Too bad Justin's car had too many failures. We're starting to forget how painful it was and might try again in the not too distant future...
I can tell you that subjectively my Evo was way, way more fun to drive with proper suspension. That said, ASP is even betterer. Too bad Justin's car had too many failures. We're starting to forget how painful it was and might try again in the not too distant future...
As of ASP vs. STU...I am sure that once you modify your car more it will be more fun to drive. You could also make it safer on so many parts that are free to modified. But, I am not ready to get back to street prepared and become grease monkey again!
Plus, STU looks like a cool place to stay for a while!!
Almost. I would be careful launching an ASP car (an 8/9 anyways) since you aren't allowed to change the front LSD/diff. The stock LSD/diff can grenade and take out basically everything. Same thing with the hollow output tube from the trans. But you can buy a billet one of those. Not sure if it's legal, but no one would know its in there.
I want to join in on this BS to STU guesstimate.
First, I drive an 8 in STU. In our region, we have a few Xs, in both STU and BS trim. I drove a X in STU trim 1 time, and I was .6 slower on a 60 second course than I was in my own car. Could I have matched my fastest time in the X with more tries, or with better driving.. I think so.
I also drove (on a different occasion) a X in BS trim. And I was significantly slower, than my car. I say 2 seconds. Could I have closed the gap compared to my 8? Sure, with better driving.
If you can drive well, you aren't as an underdog as everyone say you would be at local events. Matter of fact I venture to say, a top driver could beat me in a prepped X vs me in my 8. Granted like everyone says, I'll have the advantage.
We've actually tested the above. A prepped X in STU trim with top notch driver (no need to mention names.. but suffice it to say, top driver) was only a few tenths from my times at a TnT. I would say he could have beaten me if I hadn't already taken 10 plus runs and put down a pretty dang good time.
With all that said, if you're a good driver. I say (guesstimating) you could see a 2 second or more improvement. If you're a newbie driver, you might actually be slower. Going from a stock car to a prepped car of any caliber will take some getting used to. I recall when i first started driving my 8, I was slower than I was in my STC car.
Hope my answer satisfies you more than the previous attempts :P
First, I drive an 8 in STU. In our region, we have a few Xs, in both STU and BS trim. I drove a X in STU trim 1 time, and I was .6 slower on a 60 second course than I was in my own car. Could I have matched my fastest time in the X with more tries, or with better driving.. I think so.
I also drove (on a different occasion) a X in BS trim. And I was significantly slower, than my car. I say 2 seconds. Could I have closed the gap compared to my 8? Sure, with better driving.
If you can drive well, you aren't as an underdog as everyone say you would be at local events. Matter of fact I venture to say, a top driver could beat me in a prepped X vs me in my 8. Granted like everyone says, I'll have the advantage.
We've actually tested the above. A prepped X in STU trim with top notch driver (no need to mention names.. but suffice it to say, top driver) was only a few tenths from my times at a TnT. I would say he could have beaten me if I hadn't already taken 10 plus runs and put down a pretty dang good time.
With all that said, if you're a good driver. I say (guesstimating) you could see a 2 second or more improvement. If you're a newbie driver, you might actually be slower. Going from a stock car to a prepped car of any caliber will take some getting used to. I recall when i first started driving my 8, I was slower than I was in my STC car.
Hope my answer satisfies you more than the previous attempts :P
You can put a wavetrac in? My local region moved me to SM because I had the TRE max lock rear diff. They said non-oem diff's are illegal in ASP. Could be wrong I guess. There are any nat's people in our local region.
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Diffs are free in SP. We had Cusco center diff instead of VC OEM unit in our 2G DSM back in days and it was a non issue rules wise. Also, we had several different rear diffs along the way as well. Others also use Cusco front diffs there as well.