i personally like his input i think banning him is bs

 

You know what folks, car forums have lots of different kinds of characters. Some characters add value through technical postings and insights, some characters add value through personality. MP5 is one of EvoM's bullsh*t meters.

His technical contribution may get obscured by the fact that it often comes in the form of stirring it up with vendors and vendor-fans, but MP5 actually knows his stuff and if he's putting someone on the defensive there's probably a decent reason. I have no idea what earned him his most recent time-out but if history is any indicator, I am guessing that it involved calling a vendor out on what he suspected was some kind of handwaving or BS, and it was probably justified.

MP5 reads between the lines and he questions the handwaving that some vendors like to do and demands that they get down to the details. This is a pain in many vendor's *** because many vendors feel they are above having to explain themselves and that their reputations should precede them. This is a pain in many moderator's *** because they know he puts people on the defensive. But it doesn't mean the questions he asks, shouldn't be asked.

The forums have been pretty peaceful lately but if that peace comes at the cost of valid technical criticism of vendors and products then what good is it?

 

I don't claim to know much. But his last post before being timed out was the one I quoted about you and the UTEC. I know this much: The Forum has not been a flamefest lately and a little spice never hurt anything. I am an Evolved member which should count for something beside being insulted by you. I would truly hate to go elsewhere for my daily evo internet fix, but if I am no longer welcome here.... I'll go.

 

my question to you is this: can you have a debate and prove that somebody is wrong with out flames? i know i can and i know that most people can. if you can't do that than it is better to not post at all. i do agree that David knows his stuff, nobody said he didn't. the problem is with how he used the knowledge. even if you are the smartest person in the world, if you don't use that knowledge in a usefull and contributing way than you are just as dumb as the rest of us.

 

dude, i am sorry if i offended you in anyway. all i am saying is that you do not know the story so making accusation is not the right thing to do. i am actually talking to David right now and we are totally cool so i can assure yuo that it had nothing to do with that post. i am just getting tired of all the accusation that are based on assumption. IIRC you were the one that accused me of being Al.....

you are more than welcome here but i am just trying to show you guys that you do not know everything. and yes, the place had enought drama in the past few days and if you didn't notice that than that is because the mods are doing a good job. we are here all the times and we delete flaming posts as soon as they happen.

 

This place will get boring fast at the rate members get banned. Heck bring Al back into general population and I don't even like the guy. IMO, repeated Timeout's and Thread banning should suffice as opposed to permanently banned.

 

You are right. That was me. You had misspelled a couple of words in a post and I thought I had spotted Al. However, it was MP5 that PM'd me saying that you were one of the cool ole boys and that I was wrong. I think I have his exact words around here somewhere.

 

There is a fine line between posting flamebait and posting facts and questions that people don't want to hear because they are uncomfortable with them.

 

couldn't agree with you more. the problem is that David did a LOT of the first and not enough of the second

also, not sure if you are aware of it but the enitre issue started in a thread where Al gave props to unortodox racing for his roll cage. now please tell me how can that issue be baised and flame worty...

 

What I am hearing from you is that MP5 should be restricted from posting in vendor forums. That sounds like a good compromise.

I insist that EvoM suffers a loss if MP5 is permanently banned.

 

I think he should stay also.

 

Being in TO is one thing, but banning him would just blow. The guy is organizing a dyno day this coming weekend, for crying out loud! Hopefully his PMs are active. At least let him be active in the Vishnu Forum, please, so he can facilitate this massive dyno day effort.

Put him in TO for the Dynoflash forum or whatever else is needed if he won't respect your wishes (as I agree he should abide), but blocking him out of Vishnu this close to the dyno day is way over the top.

There was a lot of BS and drama here in the past, but I think EvoM is a little triggerhappy on TOs right now.

 

it would be a great compromise but i am afraid it is a bit too late. come one bro, don't you think that over 20 warnings and 4 times out is more than enough? i understand where you are coming from but we have to draw the line in order for this board to function and for our life to be easier. when we brought back dynoflash, i made a promise to both Al and MP5 that me and secret chimp will clean it up and make sure that both sides keep it clean. i have warned Al and MP5 and talked to them many times and we also clean the threads on a daily basis. all i asked in return is that both sides help us out by not starting **** and simply let us know if something is wrong. i guess that didn't work because i have cleaned the dynoflash forums 2 times a day at least...

 

Why do you guys think there is a mod conspiracy happening here? I don't know any of the details involved, but I think these guys have been doing a great job managing the site. To go off on Blonde in particular is bad form, cause I've never seen him been anything but cool and respectful to the members here. They earned a bunch of respect from me with how they finally decided to handle the Al vs Vis situation. If they could get through that as diplomatically as it seems like they finally did, I don't think its cool to accuse them of randomly banning folks for no good reason. Especially someone like MP5 whose obviously earned his cred around here. We don't know the details, but anyones who's been around here long enough knows that MP5 gets off on stirring things up. Thats cool. His perogative.

IMO, its bad form on our part to get uppity on the mods for this, whether we like the situation or not. Who knows. These guys have shown themselves to be pretty forgiving in the end, I'm sure things will eventually work out. But for now, experienced member or not, you let someone continually break your simple rules, your just asking for more trouble.

My unwanted 2 cents.

 

i will see what i can do about the dyno day. however, i really don't agree about the trigger happy comment. i can promise you that i ahve given like 5 warnings in the past month where it should have been around 30. just to be fair, talk to MP5 and ask him how many times both me and Secret talked to him off the record where he clearly should have been put in TO. i like talking to people and explaining to them what they did wrong instead of just warning/ banning them. however, if you where a mod, how many times would you talk to the wall before you had enough? all i know is that i have to mod all the EVO forums, go to school full time, work full time and on top of that be a baby sitter to 15,000 members. it is hard yet we do it and we love doing it.