This is the best national Evo forum by far. As knowledgable and credible guys are banned, the national forum is weakened and we splinter into regional forums like norcalevo, socalevo, etc. MP5 is far too knowledgeable and helpful to just be banned.

Therefore mods, your job will never be done! You will always have to patrol, clean, delete, etc. If you tighten things up so much that it becomes sterile, members will leave and your job will become too easy because folks will go elsewhere: No threads to clean when there are only a couple of active users posting.

I implore you to reconsider.

 

To start, you know by my sig which camp I'm in, but I feel that ANY total bannishment is counterproductive (and if you give me **** for this Al I'll take it) I defended Al when he was banned and I think time outs will limit any damage being done...(Yes I know the mods take the brunt of the grief) hell MP5 razzes damn near everyone (me "the antishiv" included..).put the flameproof suits on and we can pick through the ashes for the bit's of truth...Mods we all think your doing a thankless job and doing it well...MP5 your knowledge goes nowhere(can't help the EVOM members) without a place to distribute it. And finally you never "win" an argument, a point made at someone else's expense is never worth the enemy created.

 

The triggerhappy comment was uncalled for from me, and I apologize, as I never go to the Dynoflash forum because nothing there pertains to/matters to me at this point.

I think you guys need to have a "vs all" forum that is relatively unmoderated where people can be dramatic and get all this crap out of their system. Then, do exactly as you are doing and make sure that you bring thunder if it happens in the tech forums (other than a hyperlink and a polite message/invitation to join the vs all/ free for all forum). If the person who is invited decides to not go defend himself (you know that'll never happen), than the inviter can't do anything about it in the tech forum, period.


The great thing for you guys is that it would make your job easier.. All the posters that don't care about the arguments can stay out of the free for all forum and never look at the crap.

Food for thought. It all sucks, but please believe that David has done A LOT more good than bad for those of us who have received the tuning/wrenching aid he's given to us freely.


-Seth

 

How many of those warnings were by moderators who have since been banned themselves? I don't know what "enough" means. It tells me maybe a compromise could have been suggested earlier.

This board has historically found ways to keep members who add real value despite causing trouble. All I'm saying is I wouldn't put MP5's kind of antagonism in the same bucket as your typical ban-earning mischief.

 

This is Mark's house and I don't want to pee on his toilet seat, but I really see mods job primarily as 1) keep the Honda and Trans-Am guys deleted and banned when they show up being stupid. 2) Delete outright defamation of vendors without justification, 3) set the newbies straight and educate them so they learn manners. Banning guys like MP5 is like not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

I don't think he or anyone else should be banned for talking smack via the internet. I personally don't do it for the sole reason that I really take nothing seriously online unless it contains information. If someone wants to voice his opinion about a subject let them do it. When it results to insults is when one is not mature enough to realize someone else can have an opinion different from yours, and if you can't handle that (especially on the internet) then seek help. I swear there should be an e-fighting section on evom so all the garbage can go there.

Jeff

 

I say give the guy his time out and let him come back to the forum. We all need a little spice in our lives, and its kind of entertaining to see people get mad at each other on a computer screen.

I really enjoy this forum and the knowledge from all its senior members. I barely have time to keep up with the posts on this site and I would hate to have to go to another site to find the valuable information I need.

Just remember our first amendment rights. If its good enough for our country, then its good enough for this forum...

 

I don't care or know who is being banned. But I totally agree with the above!

 

guys, i appreciate all the feedback and the good suggestions. However, i think that we see things a bit differenet on that one and i will tell you way:

1) i don't think that MP5 was has usefull as you made him to be. sure he had the knowledge but it was rarely used outside the "exed related" threads. in comparison, please do a search for malibujack if you want o see a member that uses his knowledge to the benefit of the entire group.

2) you keep forgetting how this looks and feel from the mods and Mark side. Mark gave him many chances and brought him back even when he didn't have to. not sure about you but i feel like i have been made a fool of.

3) as far as setting the newbies, i don't agree with that either. i think that if anything, evolved members should set an example of how people should behave and MP5 wasn't the best example.

4) just a side note, notice how many of you use the Vishnu products and than you will notice that i am right when i said that his knowledge was helpfull mostly to you guys and rarley to the regular member.

 

Banning mp5 after allowing al back because he offered money for a vendor forum is the most hypocritical thing I have seen in a long time.

This place is becoming less useful by the day...

 

MODS will never make EVERYONE happy.

If you have proof of this please post it! By all means, if your gonna sling an allegation provide proof.
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I'm not defending Al, but banning him left a lot of Dynoflash customers out to dry.

 

The more I read, the more it sounds that this is not a TO, but a permanent ban.

I'll ask that at least you guys keep him activate in the Vishnu forum where he's so helpful and kind to us.

 

I WANT MP5 BACK!!!!!

He is harmless and helps more people on this board then you can even imagine. I know because when members ask me questions about technical issues and I can't reply during the weekend because I have to take care of persanal stuff, On monday I get a PM or email saying "that's Ok I got a hold of MP5 and he talked me throw it over the phone". They are not even Vishnu customers.

This patch that MP5 got about being a cheer leader for Vishnu is bull ****. He helps eveny one and is a go to technical source.

If you ban him I'm leaving this board and not looking back.

 

I agree. He should not be banned.