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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BBYBruno
Well I just got home from the track. Todays purpose was to log all my runs with the Dynoflash race gas map and make sure I can squeeze out the lowest times possible before TTP changes the map.

I did 3 passes:

1. 13.10@110.16 60ft 2.18

2. 12.76@110.19 60ft 2.09

3. 12.51@110.03 60ft 1.73

All were done on 100oct 25psi

After the track I logged a 4th gear pull from 2500-7000, there was alot of knock! Have to get that fixed asap.

So as you can see i'm still stuck at 12.5 just like all the other times I went to the track.

Tomorrow morning i'm going to the track again equipped with the TTP race map and we'll see what happens.
Bruno

Are your draining your gas tank 100% before pouring in the 100 octane ?

Why not try lowering the boost a bit as the other guy suggested ?

What is your boost falling to at the end of 4th gear (if you are wtaching that?)

Finally, Bruno - you need to practice your launches the 60's is not that good. I would not add you to the Dyno Flash racing team anytime soon
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:20 PM
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Bruno - you should be in the territory of member NIevo who is also posting in this thread

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10.5 hotside
Buschur intake
RMR/HKS exhaust
Hallman MBC
Buschur UICP
Buschur Deluxe FMIC
GSC 272/264 cams
DC Sports Manifold
Ebay/Buschur O2 housing
Dynoflash
Cusco Twin Disc.

11.68@119mph 26psi, 50/50 110/92


Bruno - can you post your complete mod list for reference ?

Al
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BBYBruno
I'm running a Hallman MBC and simple boost gauge. Todays runs were at 25psi exactly with 100% 100oct.

Modvp will be posting the log and knock graph.
Reason I was asking is maybe your boost gauge is alittle off. 1-2psi can make a big difference if over your original tune.

Will be interesting to see your results tomorrow. Keep us informed

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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Bruno

Are your draining your gas tank 100% before pouring in the 100 octane ?

Why not try lowering the boost a bit as the other guy suggested ?

What is your boost falling to at the end of 4th gear (if you are wtaching that?)

Finally, Bruno - you need to practice your launches the 60's is not that good. I would not add you to the Dyno Flash racing team anytime soon
I make it so the needle is under the E line, then I fill up with 100oct.

I'll try lowering it to 24psi tomorrow.

Sorry I didn't watch what it fell too, i'll do it tomorrow also.

The first two 60fts were bad because I was playing around with my launch control, trying to adjust it so my clutch doesn't slip that bad. The 1.7 60th wasn't bad, come on.
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Bruno - you should be in the territory of member NIevo who is also posting in this thread

Mods :

10.5 hotside
Buschur intake
RMR/HKS exhaust
Hallman MBC
Buschur UICP
Buschur Deluxe FMIC
GSC 272/264 cams
DC Sports Manifold
Ebay/Buschur O2 housing
Dynoflash
Cusco Twin Disc.

11.68@119mph 26psi, 50/50 110/92


Bruno - can you post your complete mod list for reference ?

Al
I wish I could be in that territory!

Invidia tbe, 02 housing
9.8 hs
Maxford Ex. Manifold
GSC 272's
ARP Head Studs
Intake
Walboro 255
Hallman MBC
Forge RS BOV

Thats about it...
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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Wow... after reading the whole other thread and this one... I can actually say... who gives a ****.

Your can't compare the two... I am sure a true test would be to make some logs with a wideband then send both parties the logs. Then let both tuners send you their revised map. Load the maps make three runs each, and see what happens.

So many things can change from the time you got your custom tune, so to go online and slam someone is dumb. How do you know the issue isn't mechanical... you clearly aren't to mechanically inclined if you were posting that you think a reflash can change your gear ratios.

I see it all the time, I will have tuned a car, and a few months later the customer comes back saying it doesn't feel the same. Usually trys to blame the tuner. After some digging around I find out they changed something or they have a leak, or vaccum hose came off, or they changed the plugs or they need to be changed, I could go on and on.

It amazes me now how many "TOONERS" there are now that we have all this free software to use. Where were they years ago with all their wizdom.

(edit: Scott & Al this is not directed at you but at all the others)

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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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Are you on your stock t-case w/o LSD? That makes a good '60 tough, my best so far is a 1.68, crappy track prep though too.

Try running at 24psi once with current map, then switch maps keeping everything consistant and run again. Only real way to see whats going on.
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BadazzCR
Wow... after reading the whole other thread and this one... I can actually say... who gives a ****.

Your can't compare the two... I am sure a true test would be to make some logs with a wideband then send both parties the logs. Then let both tuners send you their revised map. Load the maps make three runs each, and see what happens.

So many things can change from the time you got your custom tune, so to go online and slam someone is dumb. How do you know the issue isn't mechanical... you clearly aren't to mechanically inclined if you were posting that you think a reflash can change your gear ratios.

I see it all the time, I will have tuned a car, and a few months later the customer comes back saying it doesn't feel the same. Usually trys to blame the tuner. After some digging around I find out they changed something or they have a leak, or vaccum hose came off, or they changed the plugs or they need to be changed, I could go on and on.

It amazes me now how many "TOONERS" there are now that we have all this free software to use. Where were they years ago with all their wizdom.

(edit: Scott this is not directed at you but at all the others)
Very true, its sad when you have the people that are supposed to be out there helping us and tuning our cars so they dont blow up coming on here and ruining threads and getting them closed.
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:45 PM
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Here is the knock graph.
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NIevo
Are you on your stock t-case w/o LSD? That makes a good '60 tough, my best so far is a 1.68, crappy track prep though too.

Try running at 24psi once with current map, then switch maps keeping everything consistant and run again. Only real way to see whats going on.
Yup stock TC w/o lsd. It's an 03' haha. I'll try that tomorrow.
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NIevo
Very true, its sad when you have the people that are supposed to be out there helping us and tuning our cars so they dont blow up coming on here and ruining threads and getting them closed.

Gentlemen, (BadazzCR and NIevo)

This thread was doing just fine and you are not helping by calling out other vendors. Either keep the discussion specifically to the topic or do not post here. Thanks.
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BadazzCR
Wow... after reading the whole other thread and this one... I can actually say... who gives a ****.
Well obviously I do. I'm just trying to get the best times I can out of my car. The problem is not mechanical either.

If you look at my graph above there is a problem with the map.
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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If you were ""playing around with my launch control,"" you had a lap top there right? Why didn't you just load up the other map and run back to back with no changes other than rom file?
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BBYBruno
Here is the knock graph.

Bruno - I would not be running the car with that much knock counts

It is clearly knocking significantly by that log and it is not in the 120 mph range if that is in 4th gear

I would suggest you use the pump gas tune - have you tried that with your 100 octane fuel and looked at the knock counts there?

Bruno where do you source the 100 octane fuel you are using ?

Al
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BadazzCR
Wow... after reading the whole other thread and this one... I can actually say... who gives a ****.

Your can't compare the two... I am sure a true test would be to make some logs with a wideband then send both parties the logs. Then let both tuners send you their revised map. Load the maps make three runs each, and see what happens.

So many things can change from the time you got your custom tune, so to go online and slam someone is dumb. How do you know the issue isn't mechanical... you clearly aren't to mechanically inclined if you were posting that you think a reflash can change your gear ratios.

I see it all the time, I will have tuned a car, and a few months later the customer comes back saying it doesn't feel the same. Usually trys to blame the tuner. After some digging around I find out they changed something or they have a leak, or vaccum hose came off, or they changed the plugs or they need to be changed, I could go on and on.

It amazes me now how many "TOONERS" there are now that we have all this free software to use. Where were they years ago with all their wizdom.

(edit: Scott & Al this is not directed at you but at all the others)

Doug, I could not have stated it any better than you have.

I like to think that as people who have invested a lot of time in the discovery of how tuning works and how to make cars run well the tuners would act to assist customers with problems. All too often it seems that people try and use someone with a problem to try and discredit other competitors.

As a true tuner yourself, I am sure that you share my view that fixing problems is what we do every day.

It still remains to be determined exactly what the cause of Bruno's problem is - wether it be mechanical or fuel - which ever the car was not running like that when I was working on it in June.

I find it very regratable to see customers and fellow tuners exploiting a minor situation like this one, particularly where I was never even given a chance to try and remedy the issue first hand.

Thank you for your perspective
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