TTP flash Pt2!
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TTP only made 2 adjustments on my race gas map. It's of course not the finished product I know that. I ran to the track this past weekend because I wanted to first get the best times I could with my Dynoflash racegas map. Then I used TTPs racegas map which wasn't finished but it did eliminate all the knock I was having in my Dynoflash racegas map. Getting rid of the knock was the first step, now it's time to evolve the map.
I will continue to work with TTP on this map. It doesn't happen overnight.
I will continue to work with TTP on this map. It doesn't happen overnight.
Originally Posted by mchuang
AL come on man, when evo scan started, timing, knock count, tps, o2 voltage, most other major items were working fine from the get go. The coolant temp and air intake temp has been revised. Timing was off 10 degrees, but come on who cant subract 10 from a number. From the beginning evoscan worked just fine for the bare necessities of tuning so dont try to pull that man. It should be used with other tuning aides though like a wideband.
Originally Posted by BBYBruno
TTP only made 2 adjustments on my race gas map. It's of course not the finished product I know that. I ran to the track this past weekend because I wanted to first get the best times I could with my Dynoflash racegas map. Then I used TTPs racegas map which wasn't finished but it did eliminate all the knock I was having in my Dynoflash racegas map. Getting rid of the knock was the first step, now it's time to evolve the map.
I will continue to work with TTP on this map. It doesn't happen overnight.
I will continue to work with TTP on this map. It doesn't happen overnight.
If anyone is in the wrong here is it Bruno, he odviously has no idea what he is doing, and actually has proven to spread misinformation (ie: gear ratios...)
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ALSO for comparison, so you can use this against your own logs to determine if it is a mechanical problem or not; here is my race gas 1st - 4th gear pull at 26.5 peak boost falling to 25 psi at red line. Scott let me know if you want me to remove this log, but i think it will help this situation. Not only that, but i find it impressive, as there is basically no knock; and yes we did multiple pulls all with the same results. (Also you can tell this is my racegas map by the aggressive timing while building boost)
For comparison sake, this was about 5 gallons 101 octane race gas mixed with about 1/8th tank 93 octane; so this should put us in the same ball park octane wise. And this proves that 25 psi isn't high for 100 octane like "NIevo" said, as i am running much more boost then that with zero knock, and the same octane.
Edit:
ALSO for comparison, so you can use this against your own logs to determine if it is a mechanical problem or not; here is my race gas 1st - 4th gear pull at 26.5 peak boost falling to 25 psi at red line. Scott let me know if you want me to remove this log, but i think it will help this situation. Not only that, but i find it impressive, as there is basically no knock; and yes we did multiple pulls all with the same results. (Also you can tell this is my racegas map by the aggressive timing while building boost)
For comparison sake, this was about 5 gallons 101 octane race gas mixed with about 1/8th tank 93 octane; so this should put us in the same ball park octane wise. And this proves that 25 psi isn't high for 100 octane like "NIevo" said, as i am running much more boost then that with zero knock, and the same octane.
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Originally Posted by UCB
perhaps you should stop making threads then until its all finished. Posting intermediate maps/times/logs is not helpful for anyone and only leads to confuse people
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Originally Posted by KOEvo
If anyone is in the wrong here is it Bruno, he odviously has no idea what he is doing, and actually has proven to spread misinformation (ie: gear ratios...)
MY QUESTION IS, how do you decide to switch between pump & race gas maps? I thought the ECU did it automatically by itself when different octanes are used; if there is another way, someone please inform me.
MY QUESTION IS, how do you decide to switch between pump & race gas maps? I thought the ECU did it automatically by itself when different octanes are used; if there is another way, someone please inform me.
Originally Posted by KOEvo
If anyone is in the wrong here is it Bruno, he odviously has no idea what he is doing, and actually has proven to spread misinformation (ie: gear ratios...)
MY QUESTION IS, how do you decide to switch between pump & race gas maps? I thought the ECU did it automatically by itself when different octanes are used; if there is another way, someone please inform me.
ALSO for comparison, so you can use this against your own logs to determine if it is a mechanical problem or not; here is my race gas 1st - 4th gear pull at 26.5 peak boost falling to 25 psi at red line. Scott let me know if you want me to remove this log, but i think it will help this situation. Not only that, but i find it impressive, as there is no knock; and yes we did multiple pulls all with the same results. (Also you can tell this is my racegas map by the aggressive timing while building boost)
For comparison sake, this was about 5 gallons 101 octane race gas mixed with about 1/8th tank 93 octane; so this should put us in the same ball park octane wise.
MY QUESTION IS, how do you decide to switch between pump & race gas maps? I thought the ECU did it automatically by itself when different octanes are used; if there is another way, someone please inform me.
ALSO for comparison, so you can use this against your own logs to determine if it is a mechanical problem or not; here is my race gas 1st - 4th gear pull at 26.5 peak boost falling to 25 psi at red line. Scott let me know if you want me to remove this log, but i think it will help this situation. Not only that, but i find it impressive, as there is no knock; and yes we did multiple pulls all with the same results. (Also you can tell this is my racegas map by the aggressive timing while building boost)
For comparison sake, this was about 5 gallons 101 octane race gas mixed with about 1/8th tank 93 octane; so this should put us in the same ball park octane wise.
^ So why did my timing increase in my logs when i added race gas and turned up my boost? It switched over to a high octane map, correct? My timing increased without me changing anything except adding racegas and turning my boost up...
Edit: NM, learning experience for KO.
Originally Posted by BBYBruno
I have no idea what I am doing? Please read what you just wrote. "How do you decide to switch between pump & race maps?"
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The comparison I am doing is not the most detailed, technical whatever you want to call it. I dont have for all this since I work and go to school full time. This isn't going to be a masterpiece Dave Buschur write up.
Like I said i'm going to Buschurs this friday to get re-tuned by Al, and he's going to do a "case study".
I am also still going to be working with TTP to further optimize my maps.
Once everything is said and done i'll go to the track and see how these two different tunes fair.
Like I said i'm going to Buschurs this friday to get re-tuned by Al, and he's going to do a "case study".
I am also still going to be working with TTP to further optimize my maps.
Once everything is said and done i'll go to the track and see how these two different tunes fair.
Originally Posted by BBYBruno
The comparison I am doing is not the most detailed, technical whatever you want to call it. I dont have for all this since I work and go to school full time. This isn't going to be a masterpiece Dave Buschur write up.
Like I said i'm going to Buschurs this friday to get re-tuned by Al, and he's going to do a "case study".
I am also still going to be working with TTP to further optimize my maps.
Once everything is said and done i'll go to the track and see how these two different tunes fair.
Like I said i'm going to Buschurs this friday to get re-tuned by Al, and he's going to do a "case study".
I am also still going to be working with TTP to further optimize my maps.
Once everything is said and done i'll go to the track and see how these two different tunes fair.
Maybe Al's bad gas theory is right in this case; why don't you post that log so we can all compare.
Originally Posted by KOEvo
MY QUESTION IS, how do you decide to switch between pump & race gas maps? I thought the ECU did it automatically by itself when different octanes are used; if there is another way, someone please inform me.
Originally Posted by KOEvo
My ECU is at about 3-4* timing from 3000-4000 RPMs on pump 93 octane and 23 psi, why does it jump to 13-14* in that same RPM range when i add 101 octane and turn my boost up to 26-27 psi?
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RPM TPS TIMING 1312.5 58 10 1468.75 78 13 1625 98 13 1718.75 100 14 1906.25 100 15 2031.25 100 15 2187.5 100 15 2375 100 15 2500 100 15 2687.5 100 13 2875 100 11 3062.5 100 8 3343.75 100 8 3531.25 100 9 3812.5 100 6 4093.75 100 5 4437.5 100 5 4875 100 5 5312.5 100 4 5562.5 100 6 6000 100 9 6312.5 100 11 6656.25 100 15 6937.5 100 17 7250 100 17 7531.25 100 18
Btw, personally I like your 113% IDC's.
Last edited by razorlab; Oct 9, 2006 at 12:23 PM.
Originally Posted by razorlab
You aren't reading your own logs correctly then, and by you stating that you think the ECU switches maps when you put higher octane in it tells me you don't quite understand. Your car has a high octane timing and fuel map and a low octane timing and fuel map. You car will only see the low octane map if you are knocking ALOT for a considerable amount of time. The car will stay in the high octane maps no matter what gas you are using if you aren't knocking.
Originally Posted by razorlab
I see 5 to 6 degrees in your logs once your car hits full boost 3750-4000 rpm. 15-14 degrees is when it's still ramping across the load columns while you are spooling.
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RPM TPS TIMING 1312.5 58 10 1468.75 78 13 1625 98 13 1718.75 100 14 1906.25 100 15 2031.25 100 15 2187.5 100 15 2375 100 15 2500 100 15 2687.5 100 13 2875 100 11 3062.5 100 8 3343.75 100 8 3531.25 100 9 3812.5 100 6 4093.75 100 5 4437.5 100 5 4875 100 5 5312.5 100 4 5562.5 100 6 6000 100 9 6312.5 100 11 6656.25 100 15 6937.5 100 17 7250 100 17 7531.25 100 18
Originally Posted by razorlab
Putting 100 octane in and turning up the boost will make more load and move the maps to the right into the higher load columns.
Originally Posted by razorlab
Btw, personally I like your 113% IDC's.
It is odvious i was confused, but none the less; my logs make a good basis for comparison, and i think the OP should post his original Dynoflash log on race gas for comparison.
Originally Posted by KOEvo
Where does it say my IDC's? I don't see it on the log, what is the colunm heading?
here is a handy calculator for it: http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-idc.htm
Originally Posted by razorlab
You can calculate it from your IPW at any given RPM.
here is a handy calculator for it: http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-idc.htm
here is a handy calculator for it: http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-idc.htm
Is this usual for a stage 1 Evo w/ Walbro?