I saw that today but I think we are missing something to make it a even statement: race gas? after market clutch? any other mods that someone might not be mentioning?

 

C12 fuel. stock clutch, stock turbo, stock ecu, actually what i did forget is IC pipes / BOV and cam gears set at -4,-1.5

Boost peaking at 27 and dropping to 22-23 at redline

Where in this thread did the poster say he wanted to do 11's on pump gas?

 

Yeah, that's rAcErS. He is always on race gas, and that was after setting his cam gears to -4/-1. HE probably has a clutch, but I don't know if he has any other power mods. He knows what he's doing, but 119.4mph is one of the fastest mph's I've seen on here with the stock turbo. Most people don't achieve that, and it's still not above 120mph like I said. This is also with a 1.6 60', which is another thing I pointed out.

Btw, does NorCal have the same elevation and temp issues as Phoenix? I assume that's why it was posted, since I'm talking about going over 120 on the stock turbo in sub-par conditions witha flash.

 

He was on stock clutch. I just posted that mearly to show another person doing mid 11's and *almost* 120 traps with a small amount of mods.

I can't remember what track racers did this at but we do have one at close to sea level and one not so much sea level. It get's pretty cool here in winter, maybe 40-60 degrees at night. Which of course helps. Also alot of moisture in the air.

I think doing these kinda of times on stock turbo in AZ is going to be very very tricky.

 

let me know if you decide to come up. there is a gas station close to the track that sells 101 octane unleaded. it used to be VP, now it's Shell. $5.99/gallon. it's all i use in the '03. the '03 hasn't seen anything less since my Dynoflash in 2004. i will probably tune 101 octane for my low boost map & C16 for my high boost map...

 

Just for the record and this is from own experience I improved 1.5-2mph trap speed with the complete upper and lower intercooler pipes and 1gen DSM BOV(on my Buschur UICP), additionally I improved another 1.5-2mph higher trap speed by adding 3 gallons of 99oct VP fuel into an already existing 4 gallons of 91 in my gas tank . In addition to that you always have to consider the altitude factor, all this was on 3100 feet elevation and almost 100 degres.

My point is that the 119MPH can be achieve with the optimal conditions: good temp, lower altitud, pure race gas and other bolt ons not mentioned previously (intercooler pipes) .

This is not me creating comments from no where, this is me taking my EVO8 MR about 69 or 70 passes already and documenting every single ran under www.evolutionmr.net dragracing topic.

So, yes, I truly believe that guy could trap the 119MPH on the stock turbo under some specific conditions.

my .2c

 

Norcal has an avg temp of about 30 degrees cooler than Phx & most of it is at or near sea level.

i also believe that if rAcErS changed his cam gears to -2/-2, he may achieve a little better result & go over 120. in addition, if he had the Tomei 280 cams with 11.8 or even 12.0 specs, he would achieve the 120 mark easily.

a built head for me is the only way i can do this task.

 

-4/-1 usually gives the best top-end on the 272s. I don't know about the 280s. rAcErS tried other cam gear settings and -4/-1 gave the most by far.

 

I apreciate your support, I am planning on going there with a couple of friends, on of them is Abner(Slowcar).

As far is the 101OCT gas, I honestly wouldn't see a great deal of power because my car was tuned for 91 however I hope to improve perhaps a couple of tenth of a sec and increase my trap speed a couple of miles. The 101oct gas would work much better if you have the tunning for it, I don't.

 

the difference is in the lift. stock cams are 9.8. HKS & most other cams are between 10.2-10.8. the TOMEI cams are between 10.8-12.0 & since the stock turbo runs out on topend, these are a must have. you will have to build the head for clearance reasons & this is why Tomei is out of cam material. they offer cams in 260, 270, & 280. then you setup for -2/-2 (more aggressively on standalone). car will pull solid to 9K rpm all day long (provided you have pistons & rods...)

 

You have an example of someone else doing this on the stock turbo? Are you basing this off some Japanese Evos or something? I don't see how the stock turbo could continue making any boost that high. It doesn't matter what the cams or head can do if there is no boost to make power. The stock turbo can't keep up with engine already at 6500rpm. You're saying this combo will continue to make power to 9k?

 

With 272s, my car is increasing in hp until about 6900 where it drops off every so slightly.

But you might be talking about boost dropping to about 1.3/1.4 bar around 6500?

 

the only way i can describe this sensation is to get a ride in a built turbo VTEC honda. think about it, vtec makes more power at around 5K-6K rpm. even with a small turbo, the cams pick up where the turbo left off. look around at dyno graphs with aggressive cam tuning. you will notice a dip in power around 5-6K rpm & then the line climbs again. the same setup i'm trying to accomplish with project 11.49 would be more like project 10.99 where you live. trust me on this. i rode in an evo8, 670whp @35psi & that car is outta control. the power never goes away. it just keeps pulling. if he didn't set the motec for a hard fuel cut @ 8K, it would keep going...

 

even on my stock cams, i have 20 degrees of timing in the last 3 gears.even though i only put down 260hp, i STILL had 250hp @ 7800rpm. torque fell like a cliff put the hp just flattens out & my car is outta tune since the cat delete & fuel pump install.

 

Well, we don't have VTEC, and the Mynes Evo has a GT35r that is meant to rev that high. Two completely different scenarios. Project 10.99 here? Come on, now, let's be realistic. Having trouble hitting 12s at 107 and then setting goals and making claims such as that isn't kosher. Let's try to stay somewhat realistic.

I'd love to see the dyno sheet where you peak 260whp at ~6500 and only lose 10whp by 7800. That would be miraculous and completely unheard of for stock cams and stock turbo.