NICE!!!

 

Those are all trophys for Subarus right?

 

Big deal, as tough as subarus are to tune the evo is easy. The engine management in an evo hasn’t changed significantly in years. The Subaru ECU is so much more complex.

 

This Guy I smell evo envy, you must get your a$$ handed to you by evos!

 

He acutally helps to tune them himself. He knows what he's talking about.

 

Anyone with a tool can "try" and tune......... and hay, who knows that guy might me a great tuner. What im saying is I doubt tuning an evo is easy.....and if it is what does that say about Rich? Because he cant seem to tune an evo for $hit

 

Enough with Dynocomp! I mean come f uckin on already!!!


Rich tunes just fine!

f u ck!

 

Whoa, sing your song.............here.........."I feel pertty, oh so pertty......."

Dude chill, there aint nothing wrong with a little debate

 

EVILEVO, I don't see you even "try" to tune an Evo, so who are u to judge what others can or can not do? Until you can tune, better get off your high horse and stop laughing at other people. Why u want to make people mad all the time?!?!?!

If you have nothing contructive to say, DON'T say anything... Remember, people don't know how dumb your are unless you open your mouth... grow up a little, big boy... Look up the word "humble" - it might help you with your longivity

Mike @ Mynes

 

Mike,

I think you may have miss-read my previous post, I was just replying to "joebud" who said "Evos where easy to tune" I find that very hard to believe, But as I said in previous post to those who cared to read this "joebud" guy could be a great tuner. Now, everyone gets upset when I try and stand up, and point out the fact that Jay is a real good Evo tuner, because a comment like "joebud's" is basically saying "anyone can tune an Evo" and that’s just not right! I know that You Mike, Jay, and Maxx cannot come on this board and defend yourselves. And even though I don’t work at the shop anymore, I did not leave on bad terms, and I still consider all of you guys my friends.

All im trying to do here is steer this EVO board back on track, because we are headed down a dead end road, everyone on the board want to voice their opinion, then when someone who might know a little more comes in a thread and tries to voice there opinion "People get mad"

People should know that what I "EVILEVO" say is a direct reflection of me and NO ONE ELSE! I don’t claim ANY Arizona shop is better then any other shop, and i never will, I simply “Call it how I see it” this will make a lot of people mad, and if you don’t like it, please go to a different thread and don’t read it. this board is here for Debate, EVERY shop is going to brainwash all their customers into thinking ___________________shops way is the only way of doing things, thats just not right!

 

~evil~
I think you must have misunderstood my post. I never said anything negative against ANYONE or any shop with any of my posts. If you reread them you will see that I was stating that the evo is easier to tune than a Subaru (in response to gaijin's post eluding that if you r a good suby tuner you couldn't possibly be a good mitsu tuner). That’s like saying if you can do calculus than you couldn’t possibly be good at addition. What I was saying is the truth. The Subaru engine management is more complex than a Mitsubishi. If you don’t believe it, than I’m sorry. I never said ANYONE can tune an evo. Go back and reread.

Who r u to think you know what direction this board should go in? All I see are guys like you perpetuating the negative attitude here. I do agree that if someone doesn’t follow the same mod path as others think they should then the trash talk starts. That is too bad and bad feeling happen.

I’m not down with all the **** talking. I’ve been doing this for too many years and won’t get caught up in it. But I will set you straight if you are trying to mislead.

 

I agree with jobud and I disagree. The Subaru St-i and Mitsubishi ECU uses the same family processors. It's the Hitachi SH-2 core processor. The Subaru WRX uses a HC16 Motorola core. The Subaru 05 ST-i uses the same processor as the new EVO 9...Hitachi SH7055, and the newer 05-06 St-i uses the the SH7058 which uses faster CPU clock speed and a larger Flash memory and SRAM.

Now Subaru engineers and Denso write their software code differently than Mitsubishi does. Which makes the Subaru more complex on how they write the code to run the engine. Mitsubishi also has a complex software as well. In the EVO 9 ROM, it's about 903 subroutines, that's alot!!! So Mitsubishi ECU is complex as well, but when dealers look at EcuTek software and see there are more maps and data values for Subaru than Mitsubishi, they seem to jump to the conclusion that the Mitsubishi ECU is less complex. Mitsubishi ECU's are complex, but they write their code differently than Subaru using the same processor family. Now I am sure EcuTek will have more maps and data values for the EVO ECU as they go through the code to find more. There are alot of 2D maps and data values in the EVO ROM, and I found alot of them myself such as, EGR values, Canister Purge values, Diagnostic codes, Immobilzer subroutines, Injector dead time, ignition dwell time, fuel level and temperature values, and the list goes on.

So what I am saying that the Subaru ECU is a complex system, and what makes it complex is how they write the code. Mitsubishi has a different way, and it's complex as well in certain areas.

Hope this help.... thanks

 

Well said Jay, I did not know the facts, but I found it very hard to believe that the Evo had a “simple ecu”

Joe,

Rather than drag this out for a few posts longer I will say this one last thing, From what it sounds like you have been brainwashed by ______________ shop.
Your opinion is yours, and I respect it, however this thread is the second in just a few months that I can remember, where some of the top tunes have questioned a tune from Dynocomp, now once again I will say it, I am simply stating facts, how you could think I am misleading people is beyond me, The small Import scene in AZ is trying to act grown, when in fact it is very young. That said some people take what I say as hate? So therefore I have stopped trying to help people, since there are 1,000,000,000 proven options people can take, but yet they seem to only choose from 2! NOW I have completely stepped away from my original plans with my Evo, even contemplated selling it at one point, just to escape from the unnecessary bull$hit. Anyone else is welcome to twist my words, or make comments to suggest that I am a “hater” that’s fine, but “I” am going to continue to MY OWN thing and step away from the small mold that is Arizona.

As far as this tread is concerned I am done........ its clear, “everyone read it, but no one listened”

 

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with a little debate, but when you resort to the above comments (Whoa, sing your song....) then it becomes a little unnecessary and childish.

The original question from Lukytry was about his tune. Some said it's fine and other said it was too lean... that's fine, everyone's got their own opinion. That should be a done deal. Lukytry is satisfied with his tune and that's all that matter...

Then someone started saying sheat about who's for real (quote from your previous: "Maxx went out and proved Mynes is for real, WHERES DYNOCOMP, WHERES KINGPIN, WHERES VIVID.... to busy doing magazine covers with their SHOW cars, thats where . . . ") - this sheat is totally off base and uncessary... all the shops are for real; it's called running a business... if we are not real, then there wouldn't be any shop.

Live by your phrase - Stop Talking about it and be about it... Other people take the opportunity to bash Mynes whenever they can... and u (whether you realize it or not) fall into the same trap when you take every opportunity to promote Mynes and doubt other shops. STOP doing that!!! Stop TALKING about how good we are... our customers will prove our strength in due time. If you want to quote facts on our work, that's fine... (i.e. Gaijin 2.4 is making 404whp on 20psi on pump gas), but just don't make the leap of faith and draw any conclusion (i.e. the 2.4 is the best and only way). People are smarter than you think - you don't need to count the beans and force your opinion down their throats. Afterall, you've SEEN the shop 8 and what it can do, and yet, you still want to do the 2.3 Stroker?!?!? What does that tell you? But we don't say to you, "John, 2.4 is the only way to go... blaah...blaah... " It's your car and your $, you can choose the route that best fit your needs.

I know you're a good guy, John, and you're willing to help others.. but sometimes it's not what you do that's the matter, it's the method by which you go about doing it.

Mike

 

Oh, well when you put it THAT way...!