Las Vegas Evo's
Originally Posted by evilevovegas
It was nice to finally meet you and jarrod in person. I personally went with the dynoflash becasue that it was you recommended and al has shown very good results in many cars. I hope to get it all fixed using the flash and im sure the guys would love a group buy and for you to tune us. I would like to prove that the flash does work well and show some good results. Keep us updated.
Corey is gay for you Dave..... I had to hold him back numerous times from giving you a humping.....
Kidding.....
I'll probably give you guys a call around the 15 of this month ( pay day ) and order a hotside and test pipe.
Originally Posted by IE Evo
Great to see the progress that u all made the past year. No more blaming it on the track/elevation. BTW any Dynoflash cars runnin 12s? BTW Manny's 112 mph trapspeed should be good for low 12s what kinda 60s he pullin.OUT! BTW Subies are overated and just notice how only a few in the whole nation can compete with the moderately modded Evos. They claim it is about money etc. BS many have put tons of cash in their STIs but they either make weak #s and the ones that make good #s blow-up at the track. U guys have the better car and the Sti guys will continue to live in denial.
There are at least 25 in the 11's
Just about every Dyno Flash tuned Evo will go into the 12's
I am hearing that there is a large misconception in Las Vegas about the Dyno Flash and how it can compare to a SAFC or other piggy back tuned Evo
I find it unusual as in so many cases all over the United States I have demonstrated time and time again the significant gains BOTH in total power and smoothness with a reflash over a SAFC. Yet in Las Vegas there is a perception that the SAFC can produce a superior result over a reflash.
I have been told that this perception resulted from the experiences of several of the Las Vegas evo members who were custom tuned at some point in Los Angeles. I do not recall the details of which person had which modifications and who went what time. I recall that one of the people purcahsed an alcohol kit - got a tune for the alcohol kit but did not run the alcohol kit. I can not remember all of the details.
As a business person I realize how crucial perception is in the mind of the consumer.
I can personally accept responsibility for any adverse perception about reflashes in the Las Vegas area. Cetainly, I feel great remorse that my product and services have recived a poor reputation in your area.
When I hear back from a respected friend like David Buschur that you guys out there in Las Vegas are firmly convinced that the reflash is inferior to a SAFC - this is upsetting to me. Its twice as frustrating when I know that it was two years ago that I first visited Buschur Racing and we tested the flash against the SAFC on his dyno and concluded that the reflash is vastly superior as a tuning tool over the SAFC.
I certainly HOPE that the gentlemen in Las Vegas have an OPEN MIND to a open and honest COMPARISION between the two approches conducted in a fair and straight forward manner ?
I am going to offer two gentlemen in Las Vegas who currently run a SAFC a totally FREE of charge custom tuned Dyno Flash. My concept here will involve the following:
I am going to rent a dyno - hopefully the Mustang dyno in your area
I will offer general admission to the tuning session and welcome impartial observers to witness every aspect of the testing
I will first test the SAFC tuned cars and record data logs showing all vital engine functions. I will explain to anyone interested exactly how the car is running as it pulls in. Particular attention will be paid to the ignition timing.
Thereafter the ecu will be reset and I will do a succession of 4 - 6 dyno pulls and document how the stock ecu reacts to SAFC tuning on 91 octane when you do several pulls - much like what happens when you drive the car on the road after a dyno session.
Finally, I will set the SAFC to zero and do a custom reflash tune on the car and compare the results with the same 4 - 6 post tune dyno pulls.
Thereafter the customer can either keep the custom tuned flash or have it flashed back to stock and re-set the original SAFC settings.
Hopefully, we can then visit the drag strip and see how the cars run.
One of the two spots is reserved for evilevovegas - the other is up for grabs
If anything - I hope I can share with you guys my tuning concepts, methods and ideas and then you can draw an informed and reasoned opinion
Certainly the experience reported by the vast majority of the Dyno Flash customers in the Dyno Flash vendor section is very positive and the dyno figures and track times reflect very good performance.
Last edited by DynoFlash; Nov 7, 2005 at 08:05 PM.
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It was great to talk to you Dave in person . Talking person to person always shows if someone really cares about their products .. and you obviously do. also the fact you talked to Al about how we were feeling about the flashes again shows you care. I would love to see you and or al come out and do tuning for us. its sad to see when everyone says dont do a flash just use a safc. The fact i recently got a 20g and injectors from you- I cant see a safc doing it justice. Id personally love to see al or dave come out for a custom tune!! count me in! On the group buys Dave i think its a great idea as i could see people posting before and after times on what the product did for their car. 
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
IE - just for your reference there is one reflash Dyno Flash tuned Evo which went 10's
There are at least 25 in the 11's
Just about every Dyno Flash tuned Evo will go into the 12's
I am hearing that there is a large misconception in Las Vegas about the Dyno Flash and how it can compare to a SAFC or other piggy back tuned Evo
I find it unusual as in so many cases all over the United States I have demonstrated time and time again the significant gains BOTH in total power and smoothness with a reflash over a SAFC. Yet in Las Vegas there is a perception that the SAFC can produce a superior result over a reflash.
I have been told that this perception resulted from the experiences of several of the Las Vegas evo members who were custom tuned at some point in Los Angeles. I do not recall the details of which person had which modifications and who went what time. I recall that one of the people purcahsed an alcohol kit - got a tune for the alcohol kit but did not run the alcohol kit. I can not remember all of the details.
As a business person I realize how crucial perception is in the mind of the consumer.
I can personally accept responsibility for any adverse perception about reflashes in the Las Vegas area. Cetainly, I feel great remorse that my product and services have recived a poor reputation in your area.
When I hear back from a respected friend like David Buschur that you guys out there in Las Vegas are firmly convinced that the reflash is inferior to a SAFC - this is upsetting to me. Its twice as frustrating when I know that it was two years ago that I first visited Buschur Racing and we tested the flash against the SAFC on his dyno and concluded that the reflash is vastly superior as a tuning tool over the SAFC.
I certainly HOPE that the gentlemen in Las Vegas have an OPEN MIND to a open and honest COMPARISION between the two approches conducted in a fair and straight forward manner ?
I am going to offer two gentlemen in Las Vegas who currently run a SAFC a totally FREE of charge custom tuned Dyno Flash. My concept here will involve the following:
I am going to rent a dyno - hopefully the Mustang dyno in your area
I will offer general admission to the tuning session and welcome impartial observers to witness every aspect of the testing
I will first test the SAFC tuned cars and record data logs showing all vital engine functions. I will explain to anyone interested exactly how the car is running as it pulls in. Particular attention will be paid to the ignition timing.
Thereafter the ecu will be reset and I will do a succession of 4 - 6 dyno pulls and document how the stock ecu reacts to SAFC tuning on 91 octane when you do several pulls - much like what happens when you drive the car on the road after a dyno session.
Finally, I will set the SAFC to zero and do a custom reflash tune on the car and compare the results with the same 4 - 6 post tune dyno pulls.
Thereafter the customer can either keep the custom tuned flash or have it flashed back to stock and re-set the original SAFC settings.
Hopefully, we can then visit the drag strip and see how the cars run.
One of the two spots is reserved for evilevovegas - the other is up for grabs
If anything - I hope I can share with you guys my tuning concepts, methods and ideas and then you can draw an informed and reasoned opinion
Certainly the experience reported by the vast majority of the Dyno Flash customers in the Dyno Flash vendor section is very positive and the dyno figures and track times reflect very good performance.
There are at least 25 in the 11's
Just about every Dyno Flash tuned Evo will go into the 12's
I am hearing that there is a large misconception in Las Vegas about the Dyno Flash and how it can compare to a SAFC or other piggy back tuned Evo
I find it unusual as in so many cases all over the United States I have demonstrated time and time again the significant gains BOTH in total power and smoothness with a reflash over a SAFC. Yet in Las Vegas there is a perception that the SAFC can produce a superior result over a reflash.
I have been told that this perception resulted from the experiences of several of the Las Vegas evo members who were custom tuned at some point in Los Angeles. I do not recall the details of which person had which modifications and who went what time. I recall that one of the people purcahsed an alcohol kit - got a tune for the alcohol kit but did not run the alcohol kit. I can not remember all of the details.
As a business person I realize how crucial perception is in the mind of the consumer.
I can personally accept responsibility for any adverse perception about reflashes in the Las Vegas area. Cetainly, I feel great remorse that my product and services have recived a poor reputation in your area.
When I hear back from a respected friend like David Buschur that you guys out there in Las Vegas are firmly convinced that the reflash is inferior to a SAFC - this is upsetting to me. Its twice as frustrating when I know that it was two years ago that I first visited Buschur Racing and we tested the flash against the SAFC on his dyno and concluded that the reflash is vastly superior as a tuning tool over the SAFC.
I certainly HOPE that the gentlemen in Las Vegas have an OPEN MIND to a open and honest COMPARISION between the two approches conducted in a fair and straight forward manner ?
I am going to offer two gentlemen in Las Vegas who currently run a SAFC a totally FREE of charge custom tuned Dyno Flash. My concept here will involve the following:
I am going to rent a dyno - hopefully the Mustang dyno in your area
I will offer general admission to the tuning session and welcome impartial observers to witness every aspect of the testing
I will first test the SAFC tuned cars and record data logs showing all vital engine functions. I will explain to anyone interested exactly how the car is running as it pulls in. Particular attention will be paid to the ignition timing.
Thereafter the ecu will be reset and I will do a succession of 4 - 6 dyno pulls and document how the stock ecu reacts to SAFC tuning on 91 octane when you do several pulls - much like what happens when you drive the car on the road after a dyno session.
Finally, I will set the SAFC to zero and do a custom reflash tune on the car and compare the results with the same 4 - 6 post tune dyno pulls.
Thereafter the customer can either keep the custom tuned flash or have it flashed back to stock and re-set the original SAFC settings.
Hopefully, we can then visit the drag strip and see how the cars run.
One of the two spots is reserved for evilevovegas - the other is up for grabs
If anything - I hope I can share with you guys my tuning concepts, methods and ideas and then you can draw an informed and reasoned opinion
Certainly the experience reported by the vast majority of the Dyno Flash customers in the Dyno Flash vendor section is very positive and the dyno figures and track times reflect very good performance.
Its not that we think the SAFC is superior, its just what happened with the guys who got flashed that got us thinking twice about it. Evilevovegas baseline dyno was 282 awhp on a flash and mine was 296 with an SAFC using Buschur settings. He has a 272 intake cam, FMIC, and test pipe over me. We both use all Buschur products. My 100 octane tune was 330 @ 24 psi while Corey's was 327 @ 27 psi. Thats what got us thinking. Maybe the car didn't take the tune or something was botched in the process of tuning.
We suggested that Corey go ahead and get his reflash worked out to see what it can do over the SAFC with our own eyes.
We have a Dyno Day on Nov 30 and Dec 1. If you can make it out then, that would be perfect as we have close to 10 EVOs getting tuned on HPH mustang dyno the majority with SAFC II. Same setup as Dave's MD. Heartbreak dyno if you will.
I will take you up on that offer. I want that second slot. I'd be willing to take one for the team so to speak.
Last edited by gonzo; Nov 7, 2005 at 08:22 PM.
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Al have you done any 20g tunes? I think i saw a post somewhere about one.Ive got someone already trying to buy the 20g from me if i decide not to use it and i havent even received it yet ! lol Im looking for real street driveability on 91 octane not just race gas. yea sure maybe id through some in for the strip but i want something i can drive around town not concerned where can i get that 100 octane at .. I havent heard of anyone else here in vegas running the 20g on their car - anyone running one? If you come out to vegas - count me in for a custom tune- id love to see peoples attitude change about them. I find it hard to believe that a safc could outdue a custom flash - or that you couldnt get better results with both working together properly . thanks lee
well, me being one of the people running safc's i would like to see what numbers Dynoflash can come up with with coreys car... we never know...
who took the 2nd spot? you mentioned 2 gentlemen, one being corey? idk
who took the 2nd spot? you mentioned 2 gentlemen, one being corey? idk
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I think for one - corey should get the nod on one of those spots. He puts alot of time into peoples cars out here ( me being one ) and has alot into his car - no way alex your car should be beating his imo . Its not even close from what i hear and thats just wrong 
hook corey up imo
my 2 cents lee
hook corey up imo
my 2 cents lee
Originally Posted by vegasboy301
well, me being one of the people running safc's i would like to see what numbers Dynoflash can come up with with coreys car... we never know...
who took the 2nd spot? you mentioned 2 gentlemen, one being corey? idk
who took the 2nd spot? you mentioned 2 gentlemen, one being corey? idk
Originally Posted by spinme4fun
I think for one - corey should get the nod on one of those spots. He puts alot of time into peoples cars out here ( me being one ) and has alot into his car - no way alex your car should be beating his imo . Its not even close from what i hear and thats just wrong
hook corey up imo
my 2 cents lee
hook corey up imo
my 2 cents lee
Corey already has the spot.