bah, i read it as if he said he was keeping up with the celica through out the powerband, damn it im a retard, sorry

 

and the rsx is actually only 40lbs lighter.

 

i don't know about the celica gts, but my friend was able to beat RSX-S on several occasions, beat countless civics, preludes, integras, etc. We were racing an RSX-S on the highway once, and we both took off at the same time, with the RSX-S directly in front of us. He didn't lose us at all. In fact, after 200kph we started catching up. I found this odd, but that's what happened!

In other instances, regular RSX tried to race and it was considerably slower than the Ralliart.

But yes the ralliart's 5spd does have short gears! That helps it be quicker! if the gears were longer it would be slower. It's 1st is short and the tires do suck, so it is hard to get a good launch from a stop! I can keep up with my friends ralliart in my 03 ES, from a stop.. just to give you an idea. Most cars will be VERY similar from a stop to end of 1st gear.

I don't care about Mivec, VVTi, VTEC, etc. It's a lot of marketing! Yes, it changes the valve timing! But do 99% of people who talk about it, actually really know how it works? I highly doubt that, so let's just not mention this vtec mivec **** unless the person truly knows how it works.

Now I dunno about you guys but the 1/4 mile isn't the most important thing in my life .. I have a LOT more fun driving on the highway than on the drag strip! I ran my ES 3 times and got really bad times.. but I still waste ricers somehow! same with my buddy, he only got a 16 at the drag strip wtih his RA! 16 sec would be considered pretty bad when the competition is in 14.x-15.x, but some magazines rate the RA at 14.7!

So in my opinion it's all up to the driver, the tires, the weather (Yes it does affect it) and other things. we've been wasted by boosted civics, and we've wasted cars that should have wasted us (RSX-S and others)..

I guess the point is, ENJOY your RA cause its a freaking awesome car and different from the rest! when someone buys a celica or rsx or whatever.. who cares? nobody cause everyone has those cars! plus, the drivetrain is efficient on the RA! 145+ WHP out of an engine rated at 162hp? That's quite impressive!

thumbs up to all the RA owners...

 

That probably means he was just pacing you.

HA. That's the strangest opinion I've ever had - a short gear means you don't spend a whole lot of time in the powerband before having the shift again. That's bad.

No, you can't.

No, they won't. Do you really expect that all cars from Hyundai Accents to Z06s are indistinguishable up to the top of 1st?

Most people here know what it is and/or how it works. You clearly don't, so you've already broken your own rule here. It's a very valid part of thie GT-S/Ralliart comparison, as both engines are designed to switch cam profiles for a stronger high-end and the GT-S apparently switches to a more aggressive profile.

That's the first time I've ever heard someone say they don't like to hit the drag strips (assumedly because going fast straight isn't fun) because they prefer to go fast and straight on the highway.

I'm really not trying to rag on you dude, but you make a lot of claims/points that are kinda off.
-N

 

I disagree but it is always possible.

Ok, I see what you mean. I never profess to be an expert so i'm always open to learning new things or being corrected about what I think. I thought that if the gear was shorter it would be quicker than the same car with the same hp/tq but a longer gear? So you're telling me that if you took the ralliart and its 5spd and just made the gears long instead of short, that it would accelerate just as quickly?

Maybe i said that the wrong way. What i meant is under 100kph it's much harder for him to have an edge on me, over 100kph the difference becomes much much bigger.

LOL! Ok, i'm on a really bad streak today! I'm talkinga bout comparing cars in the same class.

You may be right but I didn't claim to know anything about it..

So you're telling me you have MORE fun at the track? I didn't say it WASN'T fun.. it IS ... i like going for a few runs once in a while, but i very much prefer actively driving around not just drag racing. I didn't say it wasn't fun, just prefer highway driving sometimes.

no worries man, im pretty new to this board and i dont even own a ralliart myself, nor had any cars with any mivec/vvti/vtec or similar technologies. just sharing experiences..

 

I know how variable valve timing works. It is actually fairly simple. On V-TEC the camshaft simply shifts and the valves operate on a different set of cams. I'm pretty sure MIVEC and the other ones are similar. I read about exactly how V-TEC worked (operated etc) but that was months ago.

 

you can't beat celica gts man.......that car is to fast for your car, they lift up faster after 6000 rpm

 

Short gears keep the RPMs higher, so YES shorter gears make a car quicker. HOWEVER, you have to take into account the shifting time. A car with shorter gears will have more shifts.

 

GT-S is faster unless you dump some serious mods into the ralli-art, my friend is sitting right here with me and owns a 2004 GT-S and we run every weekend, THE STOCK GT-S IS FASTER, GET OVER YOURSELVES

 

I have more fun on country roads. I bought my Lancer for the handling. I don't have a RalliArt either, so my OZ is pretty weak on power, but it's got some torque and enough to really pull through some tight corners. Drag-racing isn't for me, but highway isn't the only alternative.
-N

 

That's not necessarily true... that's based on the spacing between gears. A car with more gears should be easier to keep in the power band because the ratio change from one gear to another is less significant and less likely to pull you out of your power band. But a well-spaced 5 speed geared for staying in the power band is going to be better than something with shorter time in each gear.

Or perhaps my take on the terminology is wrong? Short and long gears isn't a comparison of the number of gears though. That's just another variable to muck up a comparison.
-N

 

Well..the truth is that no matter how you slice it the celica is faster. i had a 2000 Celica GTS 6spd and stock I ran 15.25 in the 1/4 at 91.8mph. With Intake and exhaust i managed to pull 14.6-7 4 times in the same track and 95-96. My RA stock in the same track did 15.8 at 88mph. Now for the good part. The celica I sold it to my brother and we ran each other 2 weeks ago now I have CAI, 2.5 magnaflow axlback, removed Catalitic converter. We ran from a roll and 1st gear I pull 1.5car on him and 2nd gear on he started to catch up with me once we hit 3rd gear he was 1/2 a car ahead and still pulling.. Unless we get cams, sprokets, hi comp pistons theres no way we can win from a roll with just bolt ons..

 

listen guys i understand your POV, but this post proves why some people would think the RA is faster! both cars have their ups and downs obviously.

and neilscully i have more fun in the country roads as well, i was just using highway driving to compare to drag cause its pretty straightline too. The ES is mushy but with good tires it actually holds pretty well!

 

On an DOHC iVTEC camshaft, Honda has a extra cam or lobe between the regular low speed lobes. When the engine hits higher RPM the extra lobe, with a performance profile (longer travel and duration), takes over the control of both valves, thru their rocket arm(s). This along with changing the engines timing curve and air fuel ratio results in higher performance. It is all controlled by the ECU. At least that's how I understood i VTEC to work.

Honda has a few different version of this kind of technology, I think the Element normally runs on 3 valves with a 4th one kicking and some other valve travel and duration changing system.

The RA is only SOHC and I believe it has some type of a three stage type systems? I don't know much about Toyotas.

 

Ya, that's what I meant with short gears (I just didn't explain it) after the 1-2 shift, you are at a higher RPM (closer to the peak power) with a car with short gears. With long gears, you stay in each gear longer and (generally) the rpm drops more significantly with each shift.

Also, the VTEC cam has 3 lobes for every 2 valves. 2 lobes are the low end (regular) and then the more agressive cam operates both valves with some sort of linkage (I saw a picture of this ingenius setup).