You're positive the programming for that element of operation is the same?

 

Yes.

Ralliart only has 5 gears and no SuperSport mode. Those are the only differences.

( Correction there are 6 gears in the TC-SST, my mistake!!! )

 

Only 5 gears?

 

Now I don't believe anything you've said. I'll wait for Nick or Robi, but thank you.

(For the record, Mitsubishi docs, as well as other sources have confirmed a 6-speed dual-clutch transmission. The Mitsubishi documents are specific enough to list the ratios for each gear. 5th and 6th gear are taller than the Evo for economy.)

 

My mistake, a little further reading cleared things up.

If you have done any research on the TC-SST transmission you will find that everything I said is correct. You can check for yourself or go test drive a US MR.

There is a 5 speed manual in the same page ( turns out to be just a regular Lancer / Galant Fortis ) and I obviously misread and mixed that up. The TC-SST is definitely 6 speed. My apologies. My main source is the Mitsu Japan webpage:

http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...-8&sl=ja&tl=en

 

I'm not 100% convinced the operation will be identical to the MR (even beyond the lack of S-Sport). I just wanted to hear a yes or no directly from somebody who has driven an RA.

 

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6887

Clearly one-upping Subaru's WRX, the Ralliart will come only with Mitsubishi's near-perfect paddle-shift Twin Clutch-SST (or Sportronic Shift Transmission) gearbox, which also comes on the Evo MR. The Ralliart's version has just two modes, Normal and Sport, doing without the track-oriented S-Sport. Mitsubishi says the algorithms of Normal and Sport were specifically calibrated to the Ralliart, while 5th and 6th gears are taller for better highway fuel mileage (Mitsu says 17/25 mpg), giving it a less frantic nature than the Evo's.

What is it about the operation of the transmission that you think will be different? If you want the car to upshift/downshift itself, you will need to leave it in auto mode. Most have been skeptical about the auto mode but grow to love it after using it. It works great except in situations like handbrake turns ( there's a video out there ) where the computer just doesn't know what gear to go to quickly enough.

 

I'm just trying to confirm that there is no DSG-style auto-upshift in manual mode, as seems to be common with nearly every DSG-style or slapshift-auto on the market. It wouldn't surprise me at all for the RA to have this "feature", since they're dumbed down other elements (no s-sport, no launch control, etc).

 

Hmmmm, I see. Agreed

But there's always that one person that will want to hold a gear at 7000+ rpms for long periods of time. Seeing as it has dumbed down piping, turbo, intercooler and who knows what else I hope no one does that. The outcome won't be pretty.

 

Drove an SRT Magnum last week. I've driven some R/Ts and a 300 with AutoStick before, and they upshift automatically. Got caught off guard with the SRT...first driver-controlled automatic I've ever driven with no auto upshift in manual mode, but it makes a lot of sense given the class of buyer that car attracts. Anyhow, that's what got me wondering. I like the idea of having full up/down control with no nannies when I'm in manual mode.

 

I hope that in manual mode there is no auto upshift or downshift. The only thing I would want is an auto lockout feature where if I tried to downshift too many gears it would prevent me from doing so to preserve the trans and engine from blowing up.

But from every indication I've seen so far there should absolutely not be any auto upshift in manual mode regardless of normal or sport.

 

Yeah, it'll have the anti-kaBoom downshift lockout for sure. They all have that.

 

Robi,
Are you limited legally by what pics you can post? If not can you post some showing the under car goods, like the exhaust and such. I notice only the one pipe from the stock fake dual they had shown. Outside of dropping some weight is there other bonus' that we don't know about going that way? I saw a larger IC there, did you also increase the diameter of the piping?
Thanks, and awesome ride.

 

Take this with a grain of salt, as of right now I haven't found the article I was reading, it may have been in a magazine at my house, but it was an interview with the Mitsubishi engineers discussing the Ralliart. There was specific mention of the SST being the same transmission structurally as the EVO (minus launch control since it's tied to S-Sport which is missing). The interesting part was that apparently they asked about modifying the ECU and the transmission controls for tuners to match the EVO and the Mitsu engineers joked that they had attempted to make it "more secure and less hackable" than the EVO and everyone in the press conference laughed and the engineers just grinned. Anyone else see this? I'll try to find the article, not trying to lore it up in here

 

Thats like saying the Legacy GT and the Spec.b STI have the same tranny. Not going to happen. But with the amount of memory those units acctually have it will only be a limited amount of time till some one cracks it,*Cough AMS, *Double Cough RRM. Problems are that I bet the materials used are cheaper in certain parts which is what kills me. You know the clutch plates will shread apart or worse. As long as it holds 300-350 horse before they need upgrading I should be good for a little while.