WRONG!

DSG's are requiring serious overhauls @40K-50K mile mark. Anyone running aftermarket ANYTHING or failing to do ALL of the recommended maintenance work are being denied warranty claims (which will no less affect people on THIS forum looking to get their 350 WHP!). Expect to pay upwards of $2k to service your dual clutch gearbox @ 50K miles when the guts start failing and the warranty is denied...

The DSG failure is not necessarily power related, though. They just need to be serviced at strict intervals. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the dual clutch setup, while works great when running @ optimal tune, does require expensive service and care. I had zero issues with my GTI's DSG, but then again, I only had 15K miles on it when I sold it...

 

[QUOTE=RS-0;6097434]WRONG!

DSG's are requiring serious overhauls @40K-50K mile mark. Anyone running aftermarket ANYTHING or failing to do ALL of the recommended maintenance work are being denied warranty claims...

The DSG failure is not necessarily power related, though. They just need to be serviced at strict intervals. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the dual clutch setup, while works great when running @ optimal tune, does require expensive service and care. ...QUOTE]
Every 40 or 50K & $2k just for service? If that is even remotely true they can bite my big metal ***. The WRX hatch is 2-4k cheaper dependin on what you want with its stick tranny. The $2k could almost bulletproof that trans. Service my butt They better have the manny for 2010 or kiss my mitsu lovin butt. I'll be a scoobie dude then.

 

*IF* your warranty claim is denied. People boosting up a WRX to 350 whp WILL be fixing their manny trannies right and left, and expect the same denial of claims from dealerships.

I'm not trying to say that dual clutch box's are made of glass, or can't handle increased *torque* levels, but just as with a manual's clutch/flywheel/bearing etc OR certain gearsets prone to failure (the big torque second or third usually) the "DSG's" also need regular maintenance. And it can be expensive to boot...

 

I know about their downfalls, I'm a bmw technician and we've already had a few m3 and m5's go through their dsg's. But the owner gets a little happy with their 450+ hp and mistreats it right off the bat in most cases.

Most tranny problems I've come across come from a bad control module which makes the tranny eff up during shifting, not any mechanical issues with the transmission itself

 

If Mitsubishi has the same warranty quality as in the past, Ralliart owners had better either keep their car completely stock or keep a savings account somewhere just in case the worst happens. I wonder what their policy is in regards to what mode the transmission is kept in (ie. if you drive in Sport or S-Sport all the time, will they still honor the warranty or does that count as abuse?).

 

I'm pretty sure the AWD system in the Ra with be really tough since it's the same as the Evo IX system. The stock AWD system in the IX can handle over 500 wheel torque.

 

Do you have any documented proof outside of the odd squeeky wheel on a car forum? The tranny has been out since 2003 and if there were all these failures wouldn't they be well documented by now? All I ever heard was that the early 2003 - 2005 had tranny ecu issues but the actual transmission itself according to VW has been more reliable than their traditional automatics. I know personally three people (two have over 60000 kms) on theirs and zero issues to speak of.

 

Being this is a "Tuning Tech" thread, my responses relate directly to tuning of car+maintenance of dual clutch transmission. I have read numerous threads over the past year on the Vortex about DSG problems and denied warranty claims due to history of modification and/or incomplete service histories. Like I said, the DSG problems may or may not be related to power increases, BUT, try convincing the service manager that is truly the case.

I dont' know anybody with these failures personally, I only know what I read on the interwebz...and like I also said, I owned a DSG car with ZERO issues over 15K miles, but I only had the suitcase delete as a mod...

Screechy failed wheel bearings are a TOTALLY different issue (mine failed at 3K miles)....

 

Something to keep in mind, this is the first time Mitsubishi has made a TC-SST system, it's bound to have problems the first few years (much like a new engine or new chassis). I would think VW could share technology with other companies under the same wing like Audi, Bugatti, Lamborghini etc.

 

^+1. Anything new will have bugs. Remember the exploder issues from ford with the tire blowouts. Let alone new transmissions and engines. The bugs from the seabring comes to mind since my mom bough one the year it came out. It had more recalls and TSB fixes upon request durring warranty then anything else we ever owned. The next years model was in good shape though. The first years are always for the impatient and test subjects. We'll see how the tranny holds up once people start moding their rides. the question is will you be the first. Even though they say it is the same trans the little things that could have been changed is what will make this hot lancer vs detuned evo.

 

I disagree. There is plenty of R&D and testing before ever being used. If this is the case, then this is how companies end up with POOR quality, reliability and resale so it can only hurt in the short term and the long term for a company. While certain cars may be prone to certain bugs or problems, they are usually not related to major component failure. There are new engines and transmissions released every year that have no problems because they are well tested. Remember the RA has been on the streets for mags and in tuner hands for months now. Do you believe that Mitsu just decided to drop in a transmission that has not cycled through numerous labs and beta testing to evaluate its durability. I think there is WAY too much concern over a trans that is not even in use yet. For all we know it is bulletproof as delivered. Maybe not at 400 horse but neither is a manual. I am sure the stock clutch goes way before that level. Maybe not as expensive as an auto trans to repair but still not up to the task. But then again if you are modding a RA to those levels, you started with the wrong car.

 

I have yet to see a new car/new engine/new transmission released that does not have some issues whether they be minor or major. As an obvious and applicable example, there has already been reports of transmission issues in stop and go traffic. It would be extraordinarily difficult to see that if all you are doing is driving the car to test that it shifts fine and that it can handle the power.

 

Wasn't this transmission developed by Getrag regardless of who is selling it? I don't disagree that the transmission probably won't handle 350-400 whp for 100k miles, but lets not completely discount it yet, this isn't just some junk Mitsubishi just whipped up for the latest model.

 

If i recall they just said the tranny fluid gets overheated causing to go into kinda a limp mode where you cant beat on it.

 

^ tranny cooler can help that