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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pltek
i know this thread has become speculation central,
actually, i heard that mitsu will release the realliart with flourescent pink rims
You can only get the fluorescent pink rims with the optic orange paint and the lime green taillight borders, which of course require the magenta velour seats, the manual transmission, Motegi DP1 chrome wheels, and the quadruple polished chrome exhaust... sorry couldn't resist... just joking about the Motegi wheels
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 05:36 PM
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Okay Pink rims? Lets get back to the tech. Has robi taken the sst apart yet? Is there things we can do to strengthen the tranny? IE Better clutch packs, or maybe stonger gears? What about raising the hydraulic pressure to produce faster stronger shifts? Does any one know the power split? Is it 50/50 or 40/60? I also wanted a pic. for the underneath the vehicle, and one of the engine bay with all the pretty plastics removed. In one of the Pic.s I noticed they were still using the stock air box and MAF sensor. Was there a performance gain to staying that way or would it be better to sheet metal fabricate one to make it a true CAI?
I'm sure you could replace the clutch packs with stronger units/units made of different materials but I suspect it wouldn't be nearly as easy as it is in a traditional manual. To get the full benefit, I would think you'd need to reflash the ECU as well (ie. make it behave differently on account of the different packs). The power split should be 50/50 normally but be variable depending on the situation.
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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Watch the video posted with the executive. He states the SST is more durable than the manual. Does not appear to need strengthened. The shifts are already very fast. Comparable to Ferrari.
I have a feeling that's just a sales pitch, it seems like some techs are indicating the transmission is far from durable (relatively speaking compared to the near bulletproof 5-speed).
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
I have a feeling that's just a sales pitch, it seems like some techs are indicating the transmission is far from durable (relatively speaking compared to the near bulletproof 5-speed).
Since they are hanging a 5/60 warranty on the thing, it better be durable or they will be losing a fortune.
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 07:14 PM
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It only has to be durable with stock power which isn't that much. The 2002-2006 lancer transmission could handle the power the stock Ralliart is putting out. As soon as you mod it, your warranty is gone.
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Old Sep 8, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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I'm sure it'll handle the power easy.. you gotta wait for RA products to be made anyways since nothings a bolt-on yet from either evo or gts, seems the product makers need to get a hold of these and catch on they have another thing to develop.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
I have a feeling that's just a sales pitch, it seems like some techs are indicating the transmission is far from durable (relatively speaking compared to the near bulletproof 5-speed).
You are speculating considering that there has been no documented failures and as I sad before the similar DSG in VW/Audis has been extremely durable and many GTI's and A3's don't stay stock. I know two guys with DSG equipped GTI's that have frequented Race City this summer with no issues.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 08:01 AM
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It's not that they don't stay stock. Its that the people buying these tend to make more then 30k a year. Hell they probably make close to 100k a year, and live in an apartment or are married and have more help from their rich *** family. We are talking about 1 tranny only. The SST from Mitsu. I dont care about the Audi or the GTI. I am not looking at buying either. I just pray they can make this one bullet proof. If it will hold 350-400 HP and TQ. I'll have no complaints. Even if it only needs a little modification not an additional 2k to do it. I'd be okay with that If not I'll wait for a manny.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 09:24 AM
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Copied this from another thread in the EVO section from Edmunds:

2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR: Better Transmission Than GT-R

Yes, you read that correctly. Both our long-term 2008 Mitsubishi Evo X and 2009 Nissan GT-R have dual-clutch manual gearboxes, but there are subtle differences that make the Evo X's TC-SST more versatile and driver-oriented than the GT-R's DCT.

One- click the paddles in quick succession to drop two (or three) gears, and the Evo "remembers" to give you the second (or third) downshift. The GT-R ignores any additional paddle-clicks until it's done with the first gearchange you requested.

Two- manual gearchanges in the Evo can be commanded via the paddles OR the console selector. The GT-R' s console selector has no manual "gate" at all. I switch between the Evo's paddles and selector depending on the driving conditions.

Three- If you're in auto mode, both the Evo and the GT-R will switch into manual mode simply by flicking a paddle. The difference, though, is that this single paddle-flick in the Evo will give you a gearchange, whereas in the GT-R it simply gives you manual mode. To get the gearchange you were looking for in the first place, you have to hit the GT-R's paddle a second time.

Four- When switching back into auto mode, you can simply by holding the Evo's right-hand paddle for a second, or just wait and it will "timeout" and return to auto mode. The GT-R requires you take your hand off the wheel to slap the spring-loaded console lever--it will never "timeout" and revert to auto mode on its own.

Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor @ 3,050 miles.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...than-gt-r.html
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by heavyD
You are speculating considering that there has been no documented failures and as I sad before the similar DSG in VW/Audis has been extremely durable and many GTI's and A3's don't stay stock. I know two guys with DSG equipped GTI's that have frequented Race City this summer with no issues.
My line of reasoning is based on a few facts. First off, Mitsubishi decided not to put the TC-SST in the FQ-360. If it can handle the power, why wouldn't they equip their most powerful Evo (since the FQ-400 no longer exists) with their most advanced transmission? Second, there was a report recently of the transmission failing in stop and go traffic. How durable is it if it can't handle Tokyo traffic? Third, some tuners are throwing around the 360 whp number. What a VW transmission is capable of does not necessarily correlate with what a Mitsubishi transmission is capable of. You might as well argue that because an STI 6-speed is near bulletproof, a Mitsubishi 6-speed is near bulletproof as well. Moreover, the GTI is also FWD, if you launch too hard in a FWD car, the wheels spin, do it in an AWD car and the transmission or diffs break.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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You can't upgrade the current TC-SST. The innards are sealed/non-serviceable. I wonder if Mitsubishi will change it to being serviceable.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by VincentX
You can't upgrade the current TC-SST. The innards are sealed/non-serviceable. I wonder if Mitsubishi will change it to being serviceable.
And thats what scares me If they can't get the numbers safely that most people who buy these cars want to hit then I don't want that tranny. Even though I saved up enough for this car doesnt mean I want to blow it all seeing if the tranny will blow up with the power I want it to hold. Plus I have no idea what the diff in the ralliart will hold. Is it as strong as the new evo's or a cheap weak replacement that helps with saving money?My luck the first hard launch and the diff goes to hell. Worse yet, out side of Robi and them who has the money to find that point with out the care of the cost. @least Robi can develop aftermarket parts and tuning to recoup the cost of the R&D. Me? Not so lucky
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
My line of reasoning is based on a few facts. First off, Mitsubishi decided not to put the TC-SST in the FQ-360. If it can handle the power, why wouldn't they equip their most powerful Evo ....
Ralliart UK had a guy talk about this very issue in an interview I saw awhile back. It is not a question of blowing a tranny, it's a question of how long will the tranny last. He specifically said that they just needed to do some long-term testing b/f they put the SST in the higher output cars.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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It's all an unknown at the moment and that to me is a problem. Why go with a tranny that may or may not hold when you can get a 5-Speed that you know will take nearly anything you can throw at it?
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 11:16 AM
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