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Nov 23, 2008, 08:38 AM
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I'm really surprised that the RA ran so close to the X's if I recall was the X running 13.8-14.0 ?
Seams to me if you were one to leave the cars stock and you didnt compete in sanctioned events there is a good argument for the RA.
I also think the WRX sedan will be a good seller. Alot of us former subi owners were very disappointed in the 5 door sti.. ok the wagon.. styling.
Like all car dealers my local mitsu dealer's lot is getting that 'almost out of business' look. I sure hope this isnt the case. But with the new mazda 6, volkswagen's lifers, subi's enormous fan club, and well an actual entry from chevy that you cant laugh off, I am afraid the future is looking even dimmer for the mitsu showrooms. Which also has to weigh into any decision about pecking order.
Seams to me if you were one to leave the cars stock and you didnt compete in sanctioned events there is a good argument for the RA.
I also think the WRX sedan will be a good seller. Alot of us former subi owners were very disappointed in the 5 door sti.. ok the wagon.. styling.
Like all car dealers my local mitsu dealer's lot is getting that 'almost out of business' look. I sure hope this isnt the case. But with the new mazda 6, volkswagen's lifers, subi's enormous fan club, and well an actual entry from chevy that you cant laugh off, I am afraid the future is looking even dimmer for the mitsu showrooms. Which also has to weigh into any decision about pecking order.
Nov 23, 2008, 08:58 AM
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You forgot to mention 100% uglier 
All kidding aside, you made good points except that the price difference isn't 12%. A base WRX sedan starts at $25,660 including destination fees. The base RA is $27,185 with destination. That's a difference of roughly 6%. This is for a stripped out base WRX that doesn't even come with fog lights, only cheap plastic covers over the holes. Even the base RA has fog lights, not to mention standard Bluetooth. The WRX has better seats compared to the base RA seats, but the optional Recaros in the RA are better. Even when you start adding options, the difference stays at around 6%. A WRX premium is $28,160 and an RA with Recaro package is $29,935. With navigation, the WRX jumps to $30,160 and the RA jumps to $31,934. The price difference isn't that much, but the WRX is still a little cheaper and seems to perform better. They're both a good bang for the buck but for different reasons. The WRX is a better bang for the buck in terms of performance, but the RA is a better bang for the buck in terms of technology and features. They're both good cars and you can't really go wrong with either.
All kidding aside, you made good points except that the price difference isn't 12%. A base WRX sedan starts at $25,660 including destination fees. The base RA is $27,185 with destination. That's a difference of roughly 6%. This is for a stripped out base WRX that doesn't even come with fog lights, only cheap plastic covers over the holes. Even the base RA has fog lights, not to mention standard Bluetooth. The WRX has better seats compared to the base RA seats, but the optional Recaros in the RA are better. Even when you start adding options, the difference stays at around 6%. A WRX premium is $28,160 and an RA with Recaro package is $29,935. With navigation, the WRX jumps to $30,160 and the RA jumps to $31,934. The price difference isn't that much, but the WRX is still a little cheaper and seems to perform better. They're both a good bang for the buck but for different reasons. The WRX is a better bang for the buck in terms of performance, but the RA is a better bang for the buck in terms of technology and features. They're both good cars and you can't really go wrong with either.Last edited by dboz; Nov 23, 2008 at 09:02 AM.
Nov 23, 2008, 09:22 AM
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[if you doubt me, then look up the many business articles that have GM restructuring down to under a hundred brick-and-mortar dealerships in the US, and then imagine trying to get service on a gas-guzzler from a company likely bent on restructuring to be more green -- Mazda's not in quite such bad shape, they may end up owned by Chery of China... bet the MS3 owners would love that]
Nov 23, 2008, 09:30 AM
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09 WRX is lookin great! I'm sure ownership of the car company is not that big of a deal. Most of MS3's parts are from Ford anyway. Bankruptcy is a bigger deal though. I like how R&T has a strictly performance based ranking, then a subjective ranking, then a value added price ranking. Does C&D do that?
Nov 23, 2008, 10:51 AM
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09 WRX is lookin great! I'm sure ownership of the car company is not that big of a deal. Most of MS3's parts are from Ford anyway. Bankruptcy is a bigger deal though. I like how R&T has a strictly performance based ranking, then a subjective ranking, then a value added price ranking. Does C&D do that?
Yes. The article is too long. It should be up on their site soon and you can see all subjective categories. The Clubman finished way down due to cost.
Nov 23, 2008, 11:36 AM
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Im looking at the RA as one of the easiest to get aftermarket power. The door is wide open for low cost performance gains. Though everyone is spooling up to push the limits of the RA we do know that when you hit 350+hp/tq in an MS3 the motor rips the mounts and litteraly drops out the car.
Nov 23, 2008, 12:28 PM
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Im looking at the RA as one of the easiest to get aftermarket power. The door is wide open for low cost performance gains. Though everyone is spooling up to push the limits of the RA we do know that when you hit 350+hp/tq in an MS3 the motor rips the mounts and litteraly drops out the car.
You got any pics of your GG RA?
I haven't seen anyone post pics of that color yet.
At least not an owner.
I'd like to see that color.
They didn't have one available at the time.
Nov 23, 2008, 01:09 PM
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no worries about the reviews/rankings..
stock the ra's are still a baddass car, but where it shines is the tune-ability of the car. thats where the RA will get the biggest gains, for less money.. once the mods come out that is
dont forget we are baby evo's, just in need of some loving to grow!
stock the ra's are still a baddass car, but where it shines is the tune-ability of the car. thats where the RA will get the biggest gains, for less money.. once the mods come out that is
dont forget we are baby evo's, just in need of some loving to grow!
Nov 23, 2008, 02:14 PM
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The wagon is slightly lighter I believe and the big thing for rally is there isn't a big overhang in the rear (ie. the car is not much longer in the rear than it's wheelbase). I personally like the STI hatch but the WRX hatch is a bit "weak" looking.
Nov 23, 2008, 02:19 PM
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Im looking at the RA as one of the easiest to get aftermarket power. The door is wide open for low cost performance gains. Though everyone is spooling up to push the limits of the RA we do know that when you hit 350+hp/tq in an MS3 the motor rips the mounts and litteraly drops out the car.