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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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And yet it still ranks higher in reviews, lol.
Maybe in performance, not looks tho.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Again, how is the design more accepted globally? Subaru's numbers are up, seemingly everybody else has their numbers going down which would suggest the exact opposite of what people are saying. If the cars are ugly, why are they selling? .
Because of the performance package not really based on looks. Most people who want a quick car dont care what it looks like they just want speed, I mean look at the Ford Mustang(previous generation and current) I think they are ugly as hell but yet everyday I see at least 50 of them on the road in just a 10 mile stretch of road, same with the Corvette, although the current generation looks a lot better than the previous.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 09:19 AM
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I dont think the subie looks that bad...with a few proper exterior mods..you can make it look clean as fuhhhh...
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by angryGTS
Maybe in performance, not looks tho.
It ranks consistently higher overall, which either means the looks aren't that bad or the performance is just that much better.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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Like u said before, comparable equipped car. Impreza Vs. Mazda3 would be the S sport and already that is $18,190 for the Impreza and $18,805 for the Mazda3. This is all in US i'm not sure about CAD. The base Lancer DE is not in the same league as the 2.5i and u know this, thats like sayin the base GTR is compared to the base 911, it's in a totally different spectrum. As for the Mazda6 VS. Legacy we haven't gotten th AWD 6 in the US yet so i opted for the base V6 vs. Legacy 3.0R Limited (base H6) and gotten the same result. The Subie comes up less expensive by a few hundreds bucks, so imagine with AWD as optional, u would pay more for the Mazda6. Like i said b4 this is all in US so i'm not sure how much it differs in CAD but i'm sure it would be the same outcome. Face it Amby Subaru price their cars accordingly u of all ppl should agree with this.

Now to be on ur side. If u want to say u would pay more in the long run, ok. With wear and tear on the AWD system u probably would pay more for the Subie in maintenance cost, tires etc. If this is what u mean i agree.
I still don't think the cost argument works. Subaru vehicles are not cheap in comparison to what else is out there. To say that that explains why they are selling well makes no sense to me, especially in a time of economic crisis. Subarus may be good value but they're still not cheap.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by angryGTS
Because of the performance package not really based on looks. Most people who want a quick car dont care what it looks like they just want speed, I mean look at the Ford Mustang(previous generation and current) I think they are ugly as hell but yet everyday I see at least 50 of them on the road in just a 10 mile stretch of road, same with the Corvette, although the current generation looks a lot better than the previous.
Except that most people don't care about performance.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Except that most people don't care about performance.
What are u talking about??? People get performance cars for performance and what they can do with them unless people in Canada are different, if that wasnt the case everyone would be driving a Kia.

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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
It ranks consistently higher overall, which either means the looks aren't that bad or the performance is just that much better.
Or it could just be the magazines opinion. Oh and amby i haven't seen you comment at all regarding the recent power gains we're seeing with the RA, or the fact that the "torque protection" hasn't happened in some cars. Or do you only come in when something bad is said?
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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What are u talking about??? People get performance cars for performance and what they can do with them unless people in Canada are different, if that wasnt the case everyone would be driving a Kia.
Except that the entire Lancer and Impreza lines are not performance cars. For the Lancer, only the Ralliart and Evo can be considered performance cars and for the Impreza only the WRX and STI can be considered performance cars.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by EsRt2evo
Or it could just be the magazines opinion. Oh and amby i haven't seen you comment at all regarding the recent power gains we're seeing with the RA, or the fact that the "torque protection" hasn't happened in some cars. Or do you only come in when something bad is said?
Only problem with that is it's not just one magazine, it's seemingly all magazines.
What do you want me to say? I've been saying for months that the Ralliart would see big gains, and *gasp* it's happening. It's not hard to make big power with today's turboed cars. You can up boost, fiddle with the AF ratio and change timing, all of which make power.
To what degree are these cars modified? If they have just a reflash, I'm not surprised torque protection isn't kicking in. If they have an 18G turbo with meth, than I'm surprised.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Except that the entire Lancer and Impreza lines are not performance cars. For the Lancer, only the Ralliart and Evo can be considered performance cars and for the Impreza only the WRX and STI can be considered performance cars.
But they are still popular performance cars and Im 8 out of 10 people that has a base Lancer or Impreza wish it had more perfomance out of it, everyone wishes they had more performance somewhere in owning a car....
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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No they're not. The only Lancers that are performance cars are the Ralliart and the Evo which make up a small percentage of Lancer sales. The same goes for the Impreza and the WRX and STI. The majority of sales are composed of the NA Lancer and the NA Impreza which are not performance cars.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
No they're not. The only Lancers that are performance cars are the Ralliart and the Evo which make up a small percentage of Lancer sales. The same goes for the Impreza and the WRX and STI. The majority of sales are composed of the NA Lancer and the NA Impreza which are not performance cars.
oops I thought I edited out the base models in my original post I figured someone would have known which models I was talking about since obviously the base models arent performance cars. But still everyone wishes they had more performance in their car at some point in owning it.

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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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Yes but that's irrelevant. The base Lancer and base Impreza were designed for things other than performance.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Yes but that's irrelevant. The base Lancer and base Impreza were designed for things other than performance.
No kidding they are meant for value, thats why they have a RA and Evo and WRX and STi, and it even works out for them to make the later two cheaper because they dont have to design something from scratch they already have a platform to work with, but still if there was no market for a performance version there wouldnt be one so obviously people do care about performance.
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