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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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Or people just get used to what they see around all the time. The exact same thing has been said of the Lancer and the Evo, sorry to break it to you but a lot of people hated/hate the way the 08/09 Lancer/Ralliart/Evo looks.
I don`t belive you, back this statement up please.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 04:19 PM
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Feel free to look at all the threads that appeared and were often closed when the Evo X first came about. People don't like change.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Feel free to look at all the threads that appeared and were often closed when the Evo X first came about. People don't like change.
But the design is more accepted globally than the Impreza's. I admit that i didn't really like the new design when i saw the concept for the Lancer/Evo, it took me a few more times to look at all the lines to really appreciate it but it is more attractive and agressive lookin than the 02-06 Lancers IMO. I liked the 04-05 Impreza instantly, it didn't take time for me to adjust. The 06-07 looks good in black and at night. In the daytime eh....not so much.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Or people just get used to what they see around all the time. The exact same thing has been said of the Lancer and the Evo, sorry to break it to you but a lot of people hated/hate the way the 08/09 Lancer/Ralliart/Evo looks.
Tru but if that was the case then i would own a Honda and i see my mother's Accord everyday.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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But the design is more accepted globally than the Impreza's. I admit that i didn't really like the new design when i saw the concept for the Lancer/Evo, it took me a few more times to look at all the lines to really appreciate it but it is more attractive and agressive lookin than the 02-06 Lancers IMO. I liked the 04-05 Impreza instantly, it didn't take time for me to adjust. The 06-07 looks good in black and at night. In the daytime eh....not so much.
Again, how is the design more accepted globally? Subaru's numbers are up, seemingly everybody else has their numbers going down which would suggest the exact opposite of what people are saying. If the cars are ugly, why are they selling? AWD isn't unique, they don't come packed with features, and they're not exactly cheap yet they're selling like hot cakes.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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Tru but if that was the case then i would own a Honda and i see my mother's Accord everyday.
Getting used to something is different from wanting something.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Again, how is the design more accepted globally? Subaru's numbers are up, seemingly everybody else has their numbers going down which would suggest the exact opposite of what people are saying. If the cars are ugly, why are they selling? AWD isn't unique, they don't come packed with features, and they're not exactly cheap yet they're selling like hot cakes.
I was talking Lancer vs. Impreza not the full line up of both manufacturers which is what the number represent (Subies full line sales). AWD isn't unique but its unique when u have ur whole line up come standard with it. Its sets them apart from their direct competitors just like their horizontally opposed engines do. This is what i'm saying, compared to their competition they offer great standard features and AWD standard at, near or less to another car in its segment and i think i proved that a few posts back. If u want more examples i can give it to u.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 07:27 PM
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Again though, saying "AWD is standard" isn't really relevant since sure, it's comes standard but you're paying extra for it.
I wouldn't be that surprised if more Lancers were sold than Imprezas but Mitsubishi is also a larger company than Subaru. It's like saying that since the Corolla is a huge seller, it's a great car. That's not necessarily true. As another example, look at the Ford F-150, it sells like mad but is it a great truck?
If the cars were as ugly as people say they are (or act like they are on here), they wouldn't sell. If someone thinks the car is hideous and a visual abortion, they're not going to give a rat's *** about features much like how someone isn't going to care how great a girl's personality is if they can't even look at them without cringing.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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How do u pay more for AWD if the prices are about the same for the competitors? And if u are paying more then its only by a few hundred dollars where as if u get it optional on a vehicle that offers it then u pay more than a grand. So in all the Subies offer more for less.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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Subaru buys its parts from the same people everyone else does. If you look at the car, there are labels all over the place. It's not like Subaru can buy the same parts for cheaper just because it's Subaru, they have to pay for the metal, the plastic, etc. If you take the Impreza, the entry level Impreza isn't cheap, it costs roughly 21000$ CAD. By contrast, the cheapest Mazda3 is 15000$ CAD, if you want the GT it's about the same as the very base Impreza. The Lancer starts at 17000$ CAD, for the 21000$ for the Impreza you can get the Lancer GT. If we take the Mazda6, the base price is 23000$ CAD for 170 HP and 165 ft-lbs of torque with a 6-speed manual. The cheapest Legacy is 27000$ CAD for 170 HP and 170 ft-lbs of torque. If you take the 2006 MS6, which was AWD, the price was 35995$ for a 270 HP, 2.3 L engine. By contrast, for 41000$ CAD you can get a turbocharged AWD Legacy with 243 HP.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 10:30 PM
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That WRX Still looks like a crappy souped up Saturn L200
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 10:36 PM
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And yet it still ranks higher in reviews, lol.
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Old Jan 16, 2009 | 11:50 PM
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Is it still possible to buy the 225hp WRX in the states like in canada?
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Subaru buys its parts from the same people everyone else does. If you look at the car, there are labels all over the place. It's not like Subaru can buy the same parts for cheaper just because it's Subaru, they have to pay for the metal, the plastic, etc. If you take the Impreza, the entry level Impreza isn't cheap, it costs roughly 21000$ CAD. By contrast, the cheapest Mazda3 is 15000$ CAD, if you want the GT it's about the same as the very base Impreza. The Lancer starts at 17000$ CAD, for the 21000$ for the Impreza you can get the Lancer GT. If we take the Mazda6, the base price is 23000$ CAD for 170 HP and 165 ft-lbs of torque with a 6-speed manual. The cheapest Legacy is 27000$ CAD for 170 HP and 170 ft-lbs of torque. If you take the 2006 MS6, which was AWD, the price was 35995$ for a 270 HP, 2.3 L engine. By contrast, for 41000$ CAD you can get a turbocharged AWD Legacy with 243 HP.
Like u said before, comparable equipped car. Impreza Vs. Mazda3 would be the S sport and already that is $18,190 for the Impreza and $18,805 for the Mazda3. This is all in US i'm not sure about CAD. The base Lancer DE is not in the same league as the 2.5i and u know this, thats like sayin the base GTR is compared to the base 911, it's in a totally different spectrum. As for the Mazda6 VS. Legacy we haven't gotten th AWD 6 in the US yet so i opted for the base V6 vs. Legacy 3.0R Limited (base H6) and gotten the same result. The Subie comes up less expensive by a few hundreds bucks, so imagine with AWD as optional, u would pay more for the Mazda6. Like i said b4 this is all in US so i'm not sure how much it differs in CAD but i'm sure it would be the same outcome. Face it Amby Subaru price their cars accordingly u of all ppl should agree with this.

Now to be on ur side. If u want to say u would pay more in the long run, ok. With wear and tear on the AWD system u probably would pay more for the Subie in maintenance cost, tires etc. If this is what u mean i agree.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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That WRX Still looks like a crappy souped up Saturn L200
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