Please read my previous posts and quote when I ever said Subaru cars were cheap. U said ppl pay for the AWD but their cars cost about the same as their comparable competition.

 

Yes but that argument/point is irrelevant.The Ralliart/Evo and the WRX/STI make up a small portion of total Lancer and Impreza sales respectively. If Subaru's sales have increased, it's not because of a sudden jump in WRX and STI sales, it's because of a consistent increase in sales of the entire line or at least an increase in the major player of the line, the NA Impreza. In order for the WRX or STI to account for the increase, its sales would have to increase a ridiculous amount which is unlikely. Moreover this performance argument is somewhat silly anyways. If the increase in Subaru sales is because of their performance, it either means that their performance is very good or that their competitors have poor performance. If the Impreza is as ugly as people make it out to be, it's performance must be extremely good if people are still willing to buy it over other cars. If the Ralliart consistently ranks below the supposedly hideous WRX, what does that say about it? Imagine this situation, you and your friend go to a bar and meet three beautiful women. All three women decide that they'd rather have sex with your friend than you even though he is ugly as sin. You chalk this up to the fact he has a big *****. This leads to a few potential inferences, which I'll list.
A. He's not that ugly.
B. He is ugly but he is just so well endowed that it more than makes up for it.
C. You're so poorly endowed that they'd rather have sex with an ugly guy than deal with you.
No matter what the explanation, you're still going home to a computer screen while he's going home with three beautiful women.

 

Yes and I stand by that statement, if you compare an AWD Subaru to an AWD other car, they're about the same.

 

Well people have thier opinions on what is ugly and what isnt people can ***** and moan and go back and forth on what is ugly and what isnt thats what make opinions opinions they arent based on facts, it could be that people around the world like the econocar/Ford look of the new Subbie I just dont like it a lot of people dont like it, a lot of people like it apparently. Just like those 3 hot girls u mention u might think they are hot, I might not think so, its all opinionated.

 

That's why we look at objective qualities but unfortunately people don't like that here because in an objective sense the Ralliart gets its *** kicked.
You clearly missed the point of my example, at the end of the day the guy is still going home to have sex with three girls while you're going home to watch crappy internet ****.

 

You miss my point as well but anyway the Ralliart dont necissarily get its *** kicked from a numbers stand point they are rather close from professional drivers, you get novices in there and non enthusiasts and everyday driving they will perform nearly the same, every car tested has its ups and its downs, mainly for the RA its stock tires(Mitsu never should have cheap out on the wheel and tire combo to save a few dollars) and top end power, but then again they want to give people incentive to buy the Evo X and not make it damn near as fast as an Evo like with the 2009 WRX and STi.

 

Uh no, the cars aren't close, the Ralliart is clearly the loser. Lower numbers are lower numbers.

 

Ya maybe in a straight line its slow, but it does slalom better and has a damn near G as WRX that wont even be noticable. I would laugh my *** off if Mitsu did the same thing Subbie did and upgrade the RA just to bust the 2009 WRXs *** but that is unlikely.

 

No it doesn't, read the review again.

 

Nevermind that was the Edmunds I was thinking of

 

And Edmunds put different tires on the Ralliart.

 

So(maybe Mitsu uses them stock now, IDK), but with those same tires Motor Trends comparison the RA came midpack beating the Clubman, SRT4 and a few others.

 

Using different tires isn't a fair comparison since it means that in order to get the same performance on your Ralliart as in the review you need to go and spend 1000$ on new rubber. 1000$ can buy a lot, you could easily upgrade the other cars nicely with 1000$.
I'm looking at the Car and Driver review right now (I have the paper copy) and according to them, the Ralliart comes in dead last for the skid pad and slalom. It edges out the Civic SI for 6th place (out of 7) in the braking test by 1 foot. It's the heaviest in the group as well.

 

Ok but Subbie also had to upgrade the WRX for 2009 to get where its at now right? If I remember the 2008 sucked in comparison, its like its an all new car so that isnt really fair either if you want to whine about adding tires to make it better. Like I said idk if the new tires are standard now but Motor Trends test car had the same tires as Edmunds and the reasons it came in midpack was because of price and standard seats because they felt it didnt have enough support.

 

I thought this thread died, and burned in hell a long time ago.