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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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OK Amby whatever u say.
What I mean is that we could continue this indefinitely. You can and have found examples of a direct competitor that is for expensive. I've found an example of a direct competitor that is cheaper. We can keep going back and forth but it means nothing.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
What I mean is that we could continue this indefinitely. You can and have found examples of a direct competitor that is for expensive. I've found an example of a direct competitor that is cheaper. We can keep going back and forth but it means nothing.
OK Amby whatever you say.
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Old Jan 17, 2009 | 11:05 PM
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Again, if you're referring to the Motor Trend comparison that I'm fairly certain you are, the Ralliart was equipped with RE050 tires which are not standard equipment. Of course it will perform better with better tires.
I suggest you look at the threads on NASIOC, the WRX is performing very well with just a reflash as well (surpassing Evo numbers easily). Mod for mod, the WRX will be faster. If you start with more power, you'll generally stay ahead.
So far we have no idea what is going on in regards to torque protection. TTP has encountered it with both the Ralliart and the MR. AMS has indicated that they haven't, yet.
I still think the RA would outhandle the WRX with the same mods, it definatly has the potential if a set of tires changed the way it performs that much, so apparently the potential is there, might have to put a little bit of work into it but it does have potential still too early to tell. Ya I am well aware that TTP hit the so called torque protection on 1 RA, but the others they have done they have not and those others were making a bit more power and torque, so maybe they go an early build of the car, but that 1 CAR is just gonna up your praise for the WRX even more again it is still to early to put off the SST transmission in terms of tuning. If AMS can put those "basic" bolt on parts and tune and STILL NOT HIT torque protection, than maybe TTP did something wrong in that 1 CAR or it did not like the ZCHIP, and yes before you say every car is different I know that too.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 12:44 AM
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I still think the RA would outhandle the WRX with the same mods, it definatly has the potential if a set of tires changed the way it performs that much, so apparently the potential is there, might have to put a little bit of work into it but it does have potential still too early to tell. Ya I am well aware that TTP hit the so called torque protection on 1 RA, but the others they have done they have not and those others were making a bit more power and torque, so maybe they go an early build of the car, but that 1 CAR is just gonna up your praise for the WRX even more again it is still to early to put off the SST transmission in terms of tuning. If AMS can put those "basic" bolt on parts and tune and STILL NOT HIT torque protection, than maybe TTP did something wrong in that 1 CAR or it did not like the ZCHIP, and yes before you say every car is different I know that too.
How? Stock it doesn't stand a chance. You can slap good tires on essentially any car and notice a massive increase in perform, hell, slap R-comps on a 1990 Miata and it'll walk circles around Evos, STis, etc. Unless they do a test with the same tires on, we simply know. Moreover, tires may not be the problem area on the WRX. Body roll is a major issue with Subarus. However, the fix is easy, bigger sway bars and/or stiffer springs. Of course if Subaru gave a modified WRX for reviews, people would be crying bloody murder that it's unfair.
I'm not the only one "praising" the WRX, reviewers absolutely love the car. People on here have said they like it as well. I'm hardly alone in that regard.
It's also possible that the way the cars are tuned is different, ie. different map setup. There's no reason to believe that torque protection isn't present nor is there any reason to believe that the transmission is bulletproof or anything like that, in fact there is plenty of evidence suggesting it's anything but, however it may just be that it's not a set in stone value. Some cars may be able to handle more power than others or the cars simply haven't encountered a situation that triggers the safe mode.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
How? Stock it doesn't stand a chance. You can slap good tires on essentially any car and notice a massive increase in perform, hell, slap R-comps on a 1990 Miata and it'll walk circles around Evos, STis, etc. Unless they do a test with the same tires on, we simply know. Moreover, tires may not be the problem area on the WRX. Body roll is a major issue with Subarus. However, the fix is easy, bigger sway bars and/or stiffer springs. Of course if Subaru gave a modified WRX for reviews, people would be crying bloody murder that it's unfair.
I'm not the only one "praising" the WRX, reviewers absolutely love the car. People on here have said they like it as well. I'm hardly alone in that regard.
It's also possible that the way the cars are tuned is different, ie. different map setup. There's no reason to believe that torque protection isn't present nor is there any reason to believe that the transmission is bulletproof or anything like that, in fact there is plenty of evidence suggesting it's anything but, however it may just be that it's not a set in stone value. Some cars may be able to handle more power than others or the cars simply haven't encountered a situation that triggers the safe mode.
Ya Ya Ya more excuses, just because your previous ****ty base model Lancer didnt take to all the mods you put on it in the past u like to talk **** about all Lancers now and praise another car and cant admit the RA has tons of potential and can out perform the WRX, that Subie had to upgrade a brand new car the next year, so apparently they were scared of something, so keep blabbing on, damn fanboys and internet trolls, just like you were pissing and moaning that the RA beat it in the Edmunds retest just because they put different tires on, made all sorts of excuses like you are now.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 08:54 AM
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http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/auto...s-for-january/

I think this explains why Subaru sales are up, lol. Its jus a little humor Amby so dont get too flustered
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 09:13 AM
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^^^ He'll make some excuse up for that.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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^^^ He'll make some excuse up for that.
i wouldn't be suprised.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 11:53 AM
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^^^ He'll make some excuse up for that.
Yes, because the actions of one dealership are certainly representative of all dealerships. There was a Nissan dealership that as giving away a free Versa if you bought a Titan and a Dodge dealership was giving away a free Caliber if you bought a truck.
Oh and I don't think I need to make excuses considering Subaru is selling well and their cars consistently receive good reviews. Last time I checked, a 0-60 of 4.7 seconds didn't need excuses.
Edit: You know people are scrambling when they post an article that isn't even about the particular subject at hand, the word Subaru is only used once for god's sake.

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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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The only problem Subie has right now is the blown motors that seem to keep piling up.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 01:09 PM
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Has there been any indication of how many motors have been affected? I heard of my first Albertan Subaru going kaboom a few days ago.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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From what has been posted on NASIOC it looks like about 14-15. I am sure there are more. Considering they have probably not sold a bunch of WRX's total, I think the number is more than large enough to discourage sales at this point. While I like the car, I will not be buying one anytime soon. I cannot deal with the aggravation of replacing a motor in a brand new car. I am going to Detroit tuesday. Too bad MITSU pulled out.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Yes, because the actions of one dealership are certainly representative of all dealerships. There was a Nissan dealership that as giving away a free Versa if you bought a Titan and a Dodge dealership was giving away a free Caliber if you bought a truck.
Oh and I don't think I need to make excuses considering Subaru is selling well and their cars consistently receive good reviews. Last time I checked, a 0-60 of 4.7 seconds didn't need excuses.
Edit: You know people are scrambling when they post an article that isn't even about the particular subject at hand, the word Subaru is only used once for god's sake.
They must not be selling good in Florida, I have yet to see a single 2007 and up Subaru around here, mostly all I see is all of the Lancer line including RA and Evo X, Honda Civic and Accord, the only Subaru I have seen is the old gen WRX and STi. And ya what about all the engine failures Subaru has been having, maybe thats why they made it look like a Ford

There u go with overrating the WRX again best Ive seen was 4.9 sec. And 5.3 sec isnt bad for not even launching the RA, Im sure if it was launched it would have done better, but possibly put a lot of stress on the tranny, but even launching a traditional manual isnt good for that tranny either especially stock.

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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Yes, because the actions of one dealership are certainly representative of all dealerships. There was a Nissan dealership that as giving away a free Versa if you bought a Titan and a Dodge dealership was giving away a free Caliber if you bought a truck.
Oh and I don't think I need to make excuses considering Subaru is selling well and their cars consistently receive good reviews. Last time I checked, a 0-60 of 4.7 seconds didn't need excuses.
Edit: You know people are scrambling when they post an article that isn't even about the particular subject at hand, the word Subaru is only used once for god's sake.
Wow! Who the f*ck is scrambling?! Lol u are so funny Amby. You never read my posts properly. I clearly said I was using that as humor. This proves how much u just like to start an argument.
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Old Jan 18, 2009 | 04:07 PM
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One of the biggest Mitsubishi dealerships on the west coast went out of business last month. Portland, Or, with a Metro area pushing 2 million people, had 4 mitsu dealerships not long ago, now it's down to only 1(!)...compare that to the 5 Subaru dealerships in the area. Mitsu is NOT doing that well right now. I would be surprised if Mitsu keeps the same lineup next year...

I know everyone beats on the WRX for blowing motors...but honestly, so long as there is a local Subaru dealership to take it to for warranty repair, I'd be more paranoid about anything happening to my brand new Mitsu, even with the 10 year warranty. I wouldn't want to be driving a few hundred miles to get warranty work done...

I'm seriously worried about getting an RA Sportback now...
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