I'm sure they will, in which case what will Ralliart owners complain about? The looks....again?

 

I personally love this thread and hope it never dies. I love all the opinions and viewpoints. Very informative.

 

Yep, then the standard interior. . Some things I do like about it and some things I dont, both have kinda crappy standard interior. Just couldnt resist.

But seriously they do need to fix that engine problem even if it dont effect everyone.

EDIT: For me I think the seats are more comfortable on my lower back(Im too damn tall) in the RA than the seats in the WRX.

 

Whining about my situation? How about you whining about how the WRX motor will blow up? How many times have you repeated that informative nugget? 300 times in 2 months? I have never said that I would buy a WRX, or even considered it. I HAVE said that I want to buy the RA. There hasn't even been cross shopping of the two, for me. Now, with my local dealership folding, I'm stuck between a rock and a Chevy. And the reason it folded was because they sold a quarter less cars last year than the previous year. THAT IS HUGE! Imagine not selling a car for an entire quarter. Perspective! Business must function to stay in business.

Here's a tip: Take your OWN advice. You have obviously chosen NOT to purchase a WRX, so let it go. Where is the debate FOR YOU, if you've already made your choice. You claim to be a man about it, so make good on it. If you are hesitant about not being able to make another post about the WRX blowing up...then I'm affraid that you are indeed a troll, kind sir.

LIVE LONG THIS THREAD!!!

 

As far as the interior goes, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If we were talking BMW 335i vs WRX, it's a fair point but it's not like the Ralliart has an amazing interior. Even if you pay the extra money for the Recaro package, all you get are nice front seats.

 

Here here, if you've already decided not to buy the WRX, why the hell do you care about the comparison reviews? 99% of the time, it's not even a comment about the review at hand, it's the usual "oh my god, the motors explode when you even think of revving them". Why not let people decide for themselves? I'm not saying don't post, you do make good points but stating the same thing over and over again just makes you sound like a broken record.

 

This whole debate is based on stating the same thing over and over again. It's hard to come up with something new 890 times from 1 or 2 reviews. There is nothing left to be said. Both cars are based on econo-boxes. Neither of them are significantly better than each other in any respect. Drivetrain hardware may be a bit more appealing on the Ralliart (As far as front, center, and rear diffs are concerned). One is offered with only what is practically an automatic, and the other is only offered in a manual.

There. I summed them both up. There is nothing left to be said, other than up to this point, the 09 WRXs have had some engine issues - I'm sure they'll get resolved.

Case closed.

 

Occasionally something new comes up from a review (such as the recent Edmunds review which indicated how bad the stock tires are) but, as you said, for the most part it's the same crap over and over again. A review comes out, it doesn't meet people's overinflated expectations for their chosen car (this applies to any car) which leads to excuses/rationalization. In some cases it's justified, in others it's complete BS.

 

Hmmm. I'm not interested in the WRX so according to you I shouldn't post in this thread but you also aren't interested in the WRX yet you are free to post? Maybe you need to take your own advice but IMO your advice sucks so maybe listen to me and others. If you think that the dealership situation is a big problem then maybe you should look at something else. I mean really what do you expect anyone to say? I'm not going to tell you to get a Ralliart just because I like it. It has to be right for you and you have to make that decision yourself.

I've posted the WRX engine problem in the past but I don't believe I have even brought in a that up in a while (you have to go back a while in this thread) with the exception of using as the reason it's no longer on my shopping list today. It's pretty well known now and old news.

 

Here's the difference heavyD, between you and RS-0, RS-0 tends to make new points and tends to stay on-topic, you however tend to make the same points over and over again even if they have no place. You do make good points sometimes, but you also spread the same crap to seemingly every thread that can possibly take it. As an obvious example, I've seen you state the blown motor thing in threads that aren't even about the WRX. It's as if you live to say that. Someone can just say the word WRX (as in "other cars to consider are the A, B, C, D, WRX, and E) and it's instantly "sure, if you want a car that explodes". No one is saying don't post, it's just odd that you say you don't listen to forum opinion and you want people to make up their own mind yet in every thread it's the same thing.

 

I know I clearly said "both have pretty crappy standard interior." Theres things I like about both cars interiors and theres things I dont like about both cars interiors.

 

You really need to get over the whole 'blown engine' thing Amby. I haven't brought that up in a while but here we are talking about it but not because I have brought it up. Really go through my posts in order and you will see that I haven't brought that up in a while as I said before that story is old news and has taken a life of its own. Hell I'm not even talking about your beloved WRX here for crying out loud so quit being such a fanboy as it's so irritating. There's a better than 50/50 chance I may get an 09 STI for crying out loud so your disdane for my supposed Subaru bashing is misplaced. I challenge you to find a thread where I joking say the car or engine will explode. They have a major issue. I would be just as hard on Mazda, Mitsubishi, Honda, etc if they were knowingly shipping out substandard product. The failures are in the high teens on NASIOC. IMO you would be doing a huge disservice to any potential WRX buyer by not alerting them of the problem. I may own an STI soon but I sure as hell will not get blinded by the Subaru brand like you. They are just a car company for crying out loud. They don't save the whales, they don't feed starving childeren in Africa, and they don't do consumers any favors. Quit worshipping them like they are doing us a favor by bestowing us with their cars because if they were so righteous they wouldn't be selling new cars while stocking replacement engines for the buyers that they know will get screwed at the same time because that's what's happening. Go read the threads for crying out loud. People that were estatic about their new car purchases are being crushed when they find out that their new car is no longer new and just lost a bunch of resale value. Some guy telling how he bought his wife a new WRX and she is now devastated after having their car towed for an engine replacement. Don't take this stuff lightly because it isn't your money getting flushed down the toilet. If they fix the problem we aren't talking about it but there were a few more failures this weekend so as far as I'm concerned they are being bush league with consumer money.

Again Amby. Don't bring it up to me and I won't bring it up.

 

Define awhile heavyD, in literally every comparison thread, you bring it up. In any thread where the WRX is discussed, you bring it up. In any thread where Subaru is mentioned, you bring it up, it's as if your whole decision and rational for liking the Ralliart hinges on Subaru having issues. This has absolutely nothing to do with being a fanboy (which is a laughable accusation at best), it has to do with getting tired of the same crap being repeated over and over again, especially when it rarely has any place in the discussion at hand. It's like those guys at NASIOC who continue to spout the "fact" that Evos snap gas pedals or that the 4G63 suffers from crankwalk (sure, 15 years ago), or that the Evo is unreliable, etc. Being critical is perfectly fine, hell, it's good for the industry but it when it gets so bad that all someone has to do is say the word WRX and you reply with this

(note: this was in a thread where someone only said they were considering a Ralliart and people were suggesting a variety of other cars), it's pretty ridiculous. While you say it would be "a huge disservice" to not warn potential buyers, you jump on people who point out that the Ralliart may not be the most mod friendly car, or that the Evo has had oil leak issues, reflash problems, etc., quite hypocritical don't you think? You continually call me a fanboy yet you defend the Ralliart and Mitsubishi like it/they walk on water.

 

It's funny when everyone laughs at the SRT-4 for Dodge's (or Cobalt for that matter) supposedly poor reliability and it is brought up in every comparison. So why should Subaru's major engine issue be treated differently? Because they aren't domestic? That's horse **** and you know it. It's valid until they fix the problem. You will just have to deal with that personally if it continues to offend you.

When did I jump on someone for calling the Ralliart not mod friendly? Honesltly are you making up stuff to suit your arguments? The EVO does have some tuning issues but it is minor as it hasn't cost anyone repairs and all cars can get oil leaks which is another minor item. Honestly do you really think it's even fair to compare the WRX engine issue to a couple minor items like an oil leak (all new cars can leak. it's one of the initial checks on new cars) or tuning (which by the way is a Subaru issue as well. You know how some 08 STI's were blowing ring lands due to a lean A/F mixture caused by poor tunes in early 08 STI's as well as some 07's).

If I may repeat myself this is a Mitsubishi forum so I tend not to bash Mitsubishi here. I don't think I've even challenged the placing of the magazine reviews of the Ralliart and I believe I endorsed the GTI so I don't really know where you are getting this stuff from.

dboz - you post at both sites and alot in the WRX engine failure thread. According to Amby people don't need to be warned. Do you agree?

 

Actually the SRT-4/Dodge issue doesn't come up in every comparison, it's usually one person who can only respond with "yeah, but it's a Dodge" as if that suddenly changes the fact is handed all the cars their asses.
It isn't valid because it's usually not relevant. As an obvious example, does the Ralliart (or any other car for that matter) suddenly perform better because of Subaru's problems? No, the results do not change at all. It's like when people use the fact the Cobalt SS is a Chevrolet as "proof" that it is an inferior car to the Evo despite the fact that it performs just a well.
You jumped on me in a thread because I *gasp* said that if someone was planning on big mods, the Ralliart might not be the best option at the moment. I didn't even say "The Ralliart sucks" or that it will never be mod friendly, I said that given the car is new and given that the transmission has shown a few issues, big mods might not be wise. Of course this lead to an absolute gong show of a thread.
So an oil leak on a brand new car is a minor issue? You say I'm dismissive but here you are doing the same thing. An oil leak can be a major issue, especially on a new car. If you had just spent 42000$ on an Evo, would just shrug of an oil leak? Would you just shrug off an overly rich tune? Would you just shrug off some of the other issues that have appeared from time to time?