wake up, you are driving an economy car! Do you know what it that means? Rattle cheap etc.
We all know that.
That is why it is not a big factor when i go and buy one. I KNOW it will rattle.
If i would care that much i would buy the BMW 335I or something like that.

These are CHEAP performance cars. The value in this cars has nothing to do with rattle.

pleas stop this rattle and cheap looking non sense for all. This is a Mitsubishi forum. Hello...
If you want to be classy you are way out from that league.

 

No rattles in my Ralliart, not a single one -- my wife does occasionally complain about her seat making noise... I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere (that I'd never dare make), but I seriously have never heard even the tiniest rattle from the car.

 

How am I wrong about the engines? The WRX motor isn't being pushed in stock trim, 265 HP is a joke.
The blown motors have nothing to do with the motor design anymore than the reported oil leaks in the Evo are indicative of all Evo motors. A few WRX motors are built poorly, this is undeniable, but it seems like the majority are fine and can stand up to mods without a problem.
Actually we have a guy in our local Subaru club who is making over 500 WHP with his STI. When he was using the stock block, I'm fairly certain he was at the 400 WHP mark. This is with pump gas of course. The motor is perfectly fine but like any car it does have its problem areas. For the STI that is the pistons. They are usually the first to go. If you replace the pistons, the car is fine for even more power. It's pretty indicative when AMS likes the STI.

 

Again, your car is brand new, it shouldn't have any noises yet.

 

Neither of mine are new, an '05 and an even older one. No rattles. ZERO!

 

If you simply list features and see which car has more, that can be considered objective. If you wanted to rank the features, that would clearly be subjective.
How can 1/4 mile times be subjective? It's a simple number.
I've said before that the NAV system in the Lancer is better but I don't care about NAV systems anyways, at least to the extent that I would base my decision on one.

 

And that TC-SST is proving to be the weakpoint in the car, so again, I wouldn't call it an upgrade, it's just a different choice.

 

Notice how I've been saying this exact thing.

 

Plastic isn't inherently cheap, but I will grant you that a bit of carbon fiber here and there might have helped, and I'd definitely deep-six the chrome door handles for some brushed aluminum. Sorry, but this is a nice interior where it matters, and bland where it doesn't. At least I don't have to stare at useless indicator dials like I would in the WRX (engine temperature? -- what tiny fraction of WRX owners will ever actually care, other than warming up their car on a cold Winter day). Also, the Ralliart interior gives the impression of being reasonably well though out, as does the 2009 WRX, but I personally prefer the Ralliart layout -- especially the centre column on the dash, which is just the Nav and the climate controls in my car, but which includes big in-your-face vents in a Subaru.

 

I didn't think the interior was anything to rave about, it reminded me of the interior in my 2003 Lancer. Was it bad? No, it's far better than the interior in other cars (like the Cobalt), but it's not "nice", it's just functional for me. The interior is a subjective issue, as Neil pointed out, you can't really pit one against the other.

 

"How am I wrong about the engines? The WRX motor isn't being pushed in stock trim, 265 HP is a joke. "

you are answered for your self.
It is still blowing after almost 2 model year.

No unopened 2.5l subie engine runs over 500whp. It is a dream or a bad dyno.
You can go there it is beaten to death. Over 350 whp is recommended to change internal parts on the 2.5l and over 400whp is a must.
It is just simple is that.

Sorry i race too much with subi guys to know that. And also Weasel 555 one of my old friend so he try to convert me many times . I been in the STI scene a lot too.
I love those car and they have they own advantige but the the engine is not one of them . Period.

 

Again, the engine is not the problem, it's simply bad bearings that made their way into the stream. If the engine was the issue, all 2.5 L WRXs and STIs would be having issues. Well so far, not a single person in our local club has had issues that could be linked to the motor (one guy blew his motor but it was his own fault).
So because you need to crack open the motor to run more than double the stock HP, the engine is bad? How many Evos actually run that kind of power consistently without internal upgrades? Transmission upgrades? You're talking at the extremes. You might as well argue that the Corvette motor is crap because people are saying they can't take a lot of boost.
The engine isn't an advantage but it's not a disadvantage either. For the average person, the Evo and the STI are perfectly capable cars and relatively equal. AMS and Buschur have shown this. They both have project Subarus and they both like the cars. AMS even raved (and got flamed for it) that the STI made more power with less mods than the Evo and that it was better at the track. While I wouldn't say this puts the STI in the lead (I still think the Evo is king at the race track), it at least makes them equals.

 

Really, your 2003 had a leather-alcantara interior with matching heated Recaros, and a touchscreen Nav system on the dash, all off the lot... that special-edition model must have been quite a well-kept secret back there in 2003

 

You're focusing on two parts, the interior is not just the seats and the NAV. My Lancer had Evo 8 Recaros, steering wheel and gauges if you must know. I loved the seats, I loved the wheel and I loved the gauges but the rest was just meh. I wasn't bad, it looked reasonably good for what the car was, it felt reasonably good for what the car was and it lasted for the 4 or so years I had the car but it wasn't "nice". It was plastic. Same goes for the new generation. It has some nice features, I love the new Recaros with a passion, but it's still plastic. There's nothing wrong with that and to a certain degree I like it since it means the money was spent on the mechanical bits (at least for the RA and Evo). Would you rather have a 30000$ car with a 15000$ interior and a 15000$ drivetrain or a 30000$ car with a 5000$ interior and a 25000$ drivetrain?

 

My point is that from your view point the RA isn't an upgrade and I personally think they are equal. For the sake of arguement though let's look at it from another angle other than your, numbers alone angle.

The RA has a more technologically advanced transmission than the WRX. I wonder how much the Subie would cost with an equivalant transmission? About the same would be my quess.

The engine in the Mitsubishi makes 118.5 hp per liter, the Subie 105.6. So which is more impressive? You look at one area and make it out like it's the sole factor in you stating the the RA is not an upgrade over the Subie. I say again, you are wrong! You are looking at one set of numbers while ignoring others to satisfy your personal reasoning. The Mitsu makes more power per liter so should it not be considered the more advanced engine? And let's face it Subaru couldn't get a 2.0 turbo to pass emissions with 3 catalytic converters on it! THREE! So don't even try to convince me that the Subie engines are more technologically advanced.

I've said it before and I'll say it again when people have asked me which to get the Mitsu or the Subie...drive both, get the one YOU feel better suits your needs, driving style, expectations, etc. We all have very personal reasons for our vehicle preferences and for you to dismiss a vehicle because it does not fit your personal requirements is just crap. Numbers are not everything. Maybe to someone cross-shopping those cars the transmission is the factor. Maybe it's the sound/NAV system. It's not always about the best performance numbers. They are one part of the total package.

I'll say it again. Drive them all, make up your own mind.