Can we not think aloud here? They aren't talking about throwing 400wtq at this thing. They are most likely talking about cracking the 270wtq control. It's so early in the game, and one tuner has looked at the car for a total of 4 hours, and you want to write it off as untunable and completely limited.

 

No I don't. I am just being a realist. You can fantasize all you want. If someone wants to take the chance with their transmission and have a tuner try to EXPLORE the limits, then sign up. I am sure as long as you sign off on liability and pay for the replacement, someone will be glad to test it for you.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Maybe there will be a fix. I find it hard to believe that you all think there is some underrating conspiracy with the SST. So Getrag, Mitsu, TTP and the rest are all conspiring to keep the REAL number a secret.

Its good for what it is and does. As TTP mentions early on a RA 5 speed lightweight edition would be killer. Do you really need to read between the lines anymore? The engine probably has was more left, unfortunately the transmission does not.

We can stop pounding our heads against the wall trying to grasp this fact.

 

i would wait abit, its just way to early to say can't be done

 

I guess I fail to see why it's so bad to be optimistic about something. Maybe that's the difference between you and I...I see a problem and try and find a solution. You obviously see a problem, accept it as fact, and move on. I, and many others, are not so FAR out of line where we want maybe 30-40 more wtq. Personally I don't need this car to be 400whp and 400wtq, and if i did I would have bought an Evo X. So far we've found out that the 5th/6th gear are longer then the X and the TCU is programmed differently. No one knows whether or not the clutches are different and/or 1st-4th gear are different. So to write off that the transmission is completely maxed out just isn't the correct thing to say right now.

 

OK, I am with you. Sorry for being negative. I am all for someone offering up there car for further exploration into its limits. The lesson "better safe than sorry" has not been learned by you young guys yet. I am not going to make a multi thousand dollar mistake testing your limit theories but if you are willing, I am sure there will be someone who will find out for you.

The whole point is to tune a car to safe levels. There will always be someone who wants to go beyond at his own peril. Good luck, I look forward to seeing the results and the breakthrough, with the emphasis on break.

 

Some people are confusing torque with horsepower. Just because it's torque limited doesn't mean it's power limited. I'm guessing that the EVO X turbo/manifold will swap on, if so that'll add some top end power gains without increasing midrange torque if it's tuned correctly.

 

so when is this released to the public?

 

top end needs RPM.
And the RA tranny is tuned for less RPM range then a X. if i'm right around 6500. SO if you raised that to 7600 fuel cut as a Stock evo have it, might the SST ECU will not tolerate that, and will cut it just as it did with the TQ.
The tranny ECU have connection with the engine ECU. So you can change the engine ecu but nobody did the SST ecu yet. I dont think that is right.
So who knows? I'm just thinking loud.
I hope i'm wrong on this one.

 

Take a look at the dyno graph on the first page. The torque falls off a cliff over 5500. With a stock X turbo, you'd be able to maintain way more torque through 5500-6500. Even without raising the rev limiter I'd think the top end gains would far outweigh the mimimal spool difference. Don't that the X turbo is twin scroll so you're really not sacrificing much down low to gain up high.

 

a way i see it:
the turbo is for tq, the Rpm is for hp...that is why the rally cars running 500nm and only 300 hp
The tq to bring you up, the hp will keep you there.
The Mivec is a real help on top rpm and not the turbo.
Bigger the turbo is you can go higher, but then you start loosing bottom end. Or vice versa
So there is a fine balance. Which is the evo kinda maintaine with the twin scroll. Or the titanuim turbine wheel on some older evo ,like TME or earlier evo RS'.

Th RA small turbo kicks sooner but dies sooner.
Only thing is in the RA set up gives you top HP is the Mivec with higher rpm. So just like the V-tech. Needs RPM.
And that is why you need to raise the RPM if you want more peak hp. We know the TQ is limited via TCU.
Logically the rpm is have to be a same way. So the TCU will limit that one too.
Now the RA being already 1000rpm lower fuel cut raise the question , how much really HP an tq the TCU will actually allow?
We "know" now not much tq. SO i guess will be a same with the hp too. The TCU will not allow too much raised rpm.

 

Rob, I see you post all over these forums and you really have no mechanical knowledge. Funny. Steve93Talon is a well respected DSM enthusiast and how he is explaining TQ and HP is going well over your head.

The TCU only monitors TORQUE. IF you look at dyno graphs, you will notice how torque drops off towards the top-end mostly due to the fact that engive VE is dropping. We DO have 4 cylinder motors. The drop off is the advantage. While torque is dropping, the twin scroll turbo setup would increase top end HP. The SST ecu is happy since the torque is going down but the butt dyno is also happy with the increased HP.

Understand now?

 

How do you know this? Did you read the ROM in the computer?

 

Logically what?

 

shifting rpm. or not?
Or how does it know when to shift or not to shift?

 

everything is help
thanks
But not really.
Cabn you make it little more understandable for me ?