2011 Lancer Ralliart?
Everything I've read states that Mitsu feels that 6 speed transmissions are not the right fit for rally driving. That's why they've stuck with the 5 speeds lately.
Uhh. hello. I'm somebody that could afford an MR, but went with the RA. I'm one of many i'm sure, who would rather save 10k in today's economy. Matter of fact, i'm sure there are a lot of guys on here who went with the RA over the evo for similar reasons i did, even if they don't own an evo themselves. And no the RA wont be louder, since all I'm doing is a tune, which is basically all many on here have needed to achieve evo like numbers. You are seriously fooling yourself if you think most evo owners care about handling...they really dont at least in North America. Sure a nice chunk do....but look how many evo videos and RA videos there are of highway runs and 1/4 mile runs. Now compare that number to how many you actually see on a roadcourse. I rest my case. Both you and I are only speculating...so again i dont know why i even bothered replying, since I know you're gonna come back with some bullsh*t reply that twists my thoughts around. But i guess you know everything. When you post, you speak as though it's fact. Look at your first sentence in your latest post below. How the hell do you know? When i post, it's all hypothetical, but i think i have a good grasp on what I'm talking about. And to be honest, you have some nerve coming on here trying to drop knowledge on guys that are FAR more knowledgeable about these cars than you certainly are. Of all the crap you've been dropping about the RA and evo, i couldnt help but notice most of the posters on here have held back on commenting on the WRX and STI comparisons. Why? A few reasons:
1. We're more mature
2. We're not gonna pretend to know something about cars we dont own.
3. Who really gives a ****?
Now, since i dont know much about WRX's, I'm going to ask you- what is the difference between the WRX motor and the STI motor of the 2007 model year? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is much more than a simple turbo and intercooler swap, which is basically the only difference between the RA and Evo (motor-wise)---which makes these RA and Evo comparisons VERY RELEVANT
1. We're more mature
2. We're not gonna pretend to know something about cars we dont own.
3. Who really gives a ****?
Now, since i dont know much about WRX's, I'm going to ask you- what is the difference between the WRX motor and the STI motor of the 2007 model year? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is much more than a simple turbo and intercooler swap, which is basically the only difference between the RA and Evo (motor-wise)---which makes these RA and Evo comparisons VERY RELEVANT
Again, the RA won't eat into Evo sales. This hasn't happened yet and the comparable Evo (the MR) costs significantly more than the RA. If the prices are reasonably close (in the past Edmunds indicated that a manual would cost the same as the current model, I don't buy it but who knows), the Evo will still "win" the comparo. I have yet to hear of someone that went "I have enough money to buy the Evo or the RA but I'd rather buy the RA, dump 3000$ into it, lose my warranty, have a loud car and be as fast as an Evo only in a straight line". It doesn't happen, for the money the Evo is a flatout bargain. You can claim that all the Evo goodies are useless to the average driver but that's a BS argument for two reasons. First, many of the performance aspects of the Evo are useful for the average driver. Better brakes are always good, better handling is always good, more power is always good if you want power (which someone who is going to mod the RA would want). Second, the same exact argument could be leveled at the RA itself. It has a trick drivetrain, a trick transmission and a trick engine that cannot be fully used anywhere other than at the track. As I said, if anything, the Evo steals sales away from the RA. You're also under the false assumption that people know what mods are out there before they buy a car. Most don't, they research a car in that sense after they've bought it. The people who do all that kind of research before hand are the same kind of people that buy the STI over the WRX or the Evo over the RA. The RA is a good bargain for it's price but, and this is key, it isn't a bargain next to the Evo. What I mean by this is to get the RA to truly perform like an Evo (ie. good brakes, good suspension, good handling and power) would cost a ridiculous amount of money. If the only you care about is straight line drag racing or street racing, you wouldn't buy either car.
Uhh. hello. I'm somebody that could afford an MR, but went with the RA. I'm one of many i'm sure, who would rather save 10k in today's economy. Matter of fact, i'm sure there are a lot of guys on here who went with the RA over the evo for similar reasons i did, even if they don't own an evo themselves. And no the RA wont be louder, since all I'm doing is a tune, which is basically all many on here have needed to achieve evo like numbers. You are seriously fooling yourself if you think most evo owners care about handling...they really dont at least in North America. Sure a nice chunk do....but look how many evo videos and RA videos there are of highway runs and 1/4 mile runs. Now compare that number to how many you actually see on a roadcourse. I rest my case. Both you and I are only speculating...so again i dont know why i even bothered replying, since I know you're gonna come back with some bullsh*t reply that twists my thoughts around. But i guess you know everything. When you post, you speak as though it's fact. Look at your first sentence in your latest post below. How the hell do you know? When i post, it's all hypothetical, but i think i have a good grasp on what I'm talking about. And to be honest, you have some nerve coming on here trying to drop knowledge on guys that are FAR more knowledgeable about these cars than you certainly are. Of all the crap you've been dropping about the RA and evo, i couldnt help but notice most of the posters on here have held back on commenting on the WRX and STI comparisons. Why? A few reasons:
1. We're more mature
2. We're not gonna pretend to know something about cars we dont own.
3. Who really gives a ****?
Now, since i dont know much about WRX's, I'm going to ask you- what is the difference between the WRX motor and the STI motor of the 2007 model year? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is much more than a simple turbo and intercooler swap, which is basically the only difference between the RA and Evo (motor-wise)---which makes these RA and Evo comparisons VERY RELEVANT
1. We're more mature
2. We're not gonna pretend to know something about cars we dont own.
3. Who really gives a ****?
Now, since i dont know much about WRX's, I'm going to ask you- what is the difference between the WRX motor and the STI motor of the 2007 model year? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is much more than a simple turbo and intercooler swap, which is basically the only difference between the RA and Evo (motor-wise)---which makes these RA and Evo comparisons VERY RELEVANT
As I said, a tune isn't enough if you really want Evo-level performance, even in a straight line. To truly beat an Evo, you'll need more power which will require an exhaust. Will that setup, you'll more consistently match or beat an Evo.
You're fooling yourself if you think someone who looks at an Evo doesn't care about handling. What makes the Evo special? It's handling. In a straight line, neither the Evo nor the RA are that great. They're decent sure, but not exceptional. Where they really shine is in the corners. People do care about handling. We're not talking about base Civics or base Mazda3s, we're talking about cars designed to be performance machines, to discount other performance aspects is silly.
As for the rest, if you've spent more time on here, you'd know it was BS. Just this week I've had someone go after me because of the car I drive and it has happened many times in the past, real mature. You don't need to own a car to know about it, I've been following the RA since it was first proposed.
The motors are fundamentally the same. It's more or less the same situation as the RA and Evo, the turbos are different, the exhaust is different and there are other subtle differences. A WRX with a TBE and a tune makes roughly STI power (although, like with the RA, the torque is substantially higher than HP). The same argument of sale-stealing occurred with the 2006 WRX because it obtained the 2.5 L block from the STI. Because of the smaller turbo size, HP is difficult to obtain. This applies to the RA for the same reason hence why I've been saying to get to Evo HP will require more than just a tune.
As I said, if I could afford an Evo the same way I can afford my current car, I would but insurance is pricey and dealerships are still unwilling to move on price. A friend actually looked at the Evo MR and apparently the lots are full of them because no one is buying them. At one point there was a rumor that local dealerships were selling them at 5000-10000$ above MSRP. In a few years I might buy an Evo.
You are a pretty obvious RA doubter (i wouldnt necessarily call u a basher though) and most of your posts are quick to knock down other members posts who are simply posting their own opinions on a car which they own, on a Mitsu Ralliart forum. I see this, and i'm not even on here that much, though i am a very long time member such as yourself. You come off as stand-offish, and as a bit of a know it all, when you actually dont seem to know much about the RA, judging on your last post about what it has in comparison to the evo. Not trying to turn this into an e-battle, because that is fruity. But you should check your wrx knowledge at the door and do some serious research on the RA before you start posting about it. Sorry if i'm coming off like a dick that's not my intention. I appreciate the opinion of other drivers, especially guys that actually do drive direct competitors, but i would never go on a wrx forum and post some incorrect nonsense about a car i dont own. nam sayin? peace

As I said, if I could afford an Evo the same way I can afford my current car, I would but insurance is pricey and dealerships are still unwilling to move on price. A friend actually looked at the Evo MR and apparently the lots are full of them because no one is buying them. At one point there was a rumor that local dealerships were selling them at 5000-10000$ above MSRP. In a few years I might buy an Evo.




