2009 Lancer Ralliart - GST Basemap

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Jul 24, 2010 | 06:27 AM

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Which version of V2 and are there any mods on your RA currently?

- Bryan

Using the 2010 93 oct stock pill map.

Yes, I do. I have an Evo X intercooler and a Cosworth panel filter.

I also have a cooling fan on my SST cooler.

I know you said the flash was only for totally stock cars, but after researching it and speaking to a local shop, I felt it was safe. If you feel as though it could be causing problems, I wont attempt to flash it back to v2 again.

The thing I love about this transmission is how fast it shifts. After flashing with v2, you could feel the transmission going through its shift very slowly. Almost like it was slipping and then catching. However, there wasnt the rise in RPMs that you would associate with a slipping clutch. The harder you press on the accelerator, the worse it becomes. I did several full throttle runs before going back to v1 and I could reproduce it every time.

I really am sorry to be a buzzkill on this. Really appreciate what you are doing!

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Jul 24, 2010 | 08:37 AM

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I could be wrong, but the trend here seems to be that all guys with 2009 Ralliarts who have flashed to the V2 version have had no problems and they feel like it's a big improvement, but the guys with 2010 models who flased to the V2 basemap are running into issues.

Jul 24, 2010 | 09:17 AM

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I have an 09 and am experiencing these problems. I posted a link to a video I took last night.

Jul 24, 2010 | 09:22 AM

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After spending about an hour trying to see if I was experiencing the same problem as alien. I am. I tried all different combinations.

Off the line sport and normal mode 100% throttle - while shifting from 2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th it hangs than drops rpm, pauses and starts going again. Also did this shifting from 4th to 5th.

Normal mode 3rd 50% throttle - Same thing, still hangs around 3-4k. Its like its already in 5th but lcd display shows 4th for a couple seconds.

Sport mode 50 % throttle - did not hang at all.

After trying all different pulls at 25% 50% 75% and 100% throttle, I now notice that I am experiencing the same issues as alien. I will be flashing back to the 2009 RA 93 oct + bp V1 Map till we can figure this out.

My current mods are works drop in, ams single catback and ams boost pill. I did not have this issue with the V1 93 oct maps both boost pill and stock pill. Normal driving with V2 93 bp seemed perfectly fine. Im sure thats why I did not notice. Havent had a chance to really get on it after the flash.

If there is any thing you would like me to do Bryan, please let me know. I am more then willing to help!!

After I get some food in me (just got off work) im going to take a vid and post it for a better understanding of whats happening....

Here is a quick video of what has been happening. Sorry about the quality. You can definitely hear the shift hang. My finances sister was in the backseat filming and my RA has too much power now!!! She wasn't able to hold the camera steady lol

Hopefully this helps

http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/a...rpmvids002.mp4

That is EXACTLY what my car is doing. Great job getting it on video!

Jul 24, 2010 | 01:25 PM

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I reflashed back to the 93 oct + bp V1 and have not noticed any shifting issues. Assuming that the sst changes are not included in that map, I wouldn't notice what I did with the V2 map. Its slower now

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Jul 24, 2010 | 06:12 PM

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Mine (AUSDM 2009 on 93 Oct) does the slip thing on V1 in normal, but not sport. I just put it down to the extra power confusing the SST. Be interested to see if V2 makes it better.

Jul 24, 2010 | 08:14 PM

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I think it may have something to do with if the engine is making more torque than the transmission is expecting at a given throttle position. This was my experience anyway. I am not running GST's rom, but it has similar SST tweaking. For me it happened mostly in the cold weather when the car wanted to go like a bat outa hell at part throttle. Then the shift from 3 to 4 would sometimes hang like you guys are finding.

This is of course just my theory, since I have not seen the SST tables and don't know what the axis are. I bet at least one of them has TPS and Load for the axis. If I am right, then it would be crucial for the user to be able to tweak these tables since other modifications to the rom, along with climate conditions, would surely affect the cells hit on the mystery tables.

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Jul 24, 2010 | 08:37 PM

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I think you are spot on Piper. I like the theory.

Jul 25, 2010 | 10:06 AM

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The 93 oct + bp V2 map is definitely putting down way more power than 93 oct + bp V1. My car feels very slow now since having to flash back to 93 oct + bp V1. I can understand the theory about the V2 map putting down more torque and the SST having a fit and opening its clutches. But from all the reading I have done, that shouldn't be happening till over 300tq and I do not think a base map puts us to that limit?? Correct me if I am wrong. I am not a 100% positive.

The V2 map got me all excited and my RA was very quick and I miss that

Jul 25, 2010 | 11:40 AM

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Are people with the 91 Oct V2 basemaps running into this issue as well?

So far, it seems that only 93 Oct V2 basemaps are affected.

Jul 25, 2010 | 12:42 PM

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Are people with the 91 Oct V2 basemaps running into this issue as well?

So far, it seems that only 93 Oct V2 basemaps are affected.

Is there a 91 oct + bp map for 2009 RA's?? or are you asking about the 2010 maps? I dont see a 91 oct V2 map for 09 RA's only 2010?

Jul 25, 2010 | 01:50 PM

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Is there a 91 oct + bp map for 2009 RA's?? or are you asking about the 2010 maps? I dont see a 91 oct V2 map for 09 RA's only 2010?

There is not a 91 oct + bp map for the 2009 RA's right now. But I'm wondering if this issue is seen on the 2010 91 oct + bp map.

Jul 25, 2010 | 02:38 PM

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No, I don't mean that the clutches are opening. If they were it would be a much different symptom. I just think that the ecu becomes unsure of how to shift if torque, other than what it is expecting, is being produced at a given throttle position.

Jul 25, 2010 | 04:15 PM

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If you guys that are having issues with V2 can try out these versions and give me some feedback, that would be great.

2009 - RA - USDM - BaseMap + BoostPill - 93 oct - V2 Beta 1

2010 - RA - USDM - BaseMap + StockPilll - 93 oct - V2 Beta 1

2010 - RA - USDM - BaseMap + BoostPilll - 93 oct - V2 Beta 1

2010 - RA - AUS - BaseMap + StockPilll - 93 oct - V2 Beta 1

2010 - RA - AUS - BaseMap + BoostPill - 93 oct - V2 Beta 1

- Bryan

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Jul 25, 2010 | 04:20 PM

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If you guys that are having issues with V2 can try out these versions and give me some feedback, that would be great.

Will get this uploaded to the car tomorrow and report in. Thanks!

Sean