New Bolt in turbo... FP White Rabbit.
White Rabbit
I just wanted to post an update since my road tuning session with WORKS and my White Rabbit.
Finally, I have been able to effectively eliminate that piggy back AFC. Running solely with the WORKS flash, the fuel is now perfect in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear at WOT and part throttle drivability and performance has improved quite a bit.
They have also begun adding ignition timing incrimentally while carefully monitoring knock and ignition timing at WOT on the road. They want to make sure I am not quivering the knock sensor and the water/alcohol injection seems to be doing a very good job at preventing detonation.
Also, with my manual boost controller, my current boost level was verified by WORKS' Innovate Motorsports datalogger and a second boost gauge. It was actually spiking to 25 psi, settling at 23.5, and tapering down to 22 at 7k RPM. Since I am no longer running a piggy back, I will have WORKS control taperless boost through the factory ECU.
My EVO feels much stronger than it ever has with the AFC and WORKS is going to continue tuning next week.
Finally, I have been able to effectively eliminate that piggy back AFC. Running solely with the WORKS flash, the fuel is now perfect in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear at WOT and part throttle drivability and performance has improved quite a bit.
They have also begun adding ignition timing incrimentally while carefully monitoring knock and ignition timing at WOT on the road. They want to make sure I am not quivering the knock sensor and the water/alcohol injection seems to be doing a very good job at preventing detonation.
Also, with my manual boost controller, my current boost level was verified by WORKS' Innovate Motorsports datalogger and a second boost gauge. It was actually spiking to 25 psi, settling at 23.5, and tapering down to 22 at 7k RPM. Since I am no longer running a piggy back, I will have WORKS control taperless boost through the factory ECU.
My EVO feels much stronger than it ever has with the AFC and WORKS is going to continue tuning next week.
Last edited by TurboTodd; Jun 24, 2005 at 12:43 AM.
can you post you last datalogging session for it.
EVOSAM,
Not sure who you bought your TME turbo from but I am sure whoever it was probably never had it apart. Those turbos are built by Mitsubishi and there is no need to take one apart to check the tension.
I'm not going to talk anymore about our 21g in this thread. For those of you interested you can start another that I can go in or bring up one of the old ones.
To Mike, a small highjack is better than the constant posting that has been allowed here from NON paying vendors.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Not sure who you bought your TME turbo from but I am sure whoever it was probably never had it apart. Those turbos are built by Mitsubishi and there is no need to take one apart to check the tension.
I'm not going to talk anymore about our 21g in this thread. For those of you interested you can start another that I can go in or bring up one of the old ones.
To Mike, a small highjack is better than the constant posting that has been allowed here from NON paying vendors.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Lol, I wanna know what that one said!!
Originally Posted by TurboTodd
I just wanted to post an update since my road tuning session with WORKS and my White Rabbit.
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
To Mike, a small highjack is better than the constant posting that has been allowed here from NON paying vendors.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
If you are going to try to introduce concepts like "hey I advertise here, therefore I'm granted special privledges, then you are opening a serious can of worms that will further raise questions. In my industry, the A/V world, it is a well known fact that vendors who pay for advertising get VERY preferential treatment when it comes to things like positive, glowing, unwarranted reviews of products and misleading information. People usually realize, can somewhat read between the lines, and therefore have to take all of the subjective information with a grain of salt.
It would be a shame if indeed, the automotive industry is beginning to work this way. It seems to me that the OBJECTIVE, technical information that Forced Performance and Switzer have recently provided has ruffled some feathers. Some of us do appreciate real results and technical information as opposed to subjective claims and conjecture.
I will not add any additional posts to this thread because it contains great information aside from these side ramblings.
It had the exede by vishnu, and 272/272 cams, and alot of other supporting mods. His screen nam is FastFrank, and he is a coll dude who prob. will post more info or just pm him with questions.
Originally Posted by evo_dadi
go get some bonbons instead 
hey evoviiiyou what kind tuning is done to the car?flash/standalone/piggyback?
hey evoviiiyou what kind tuning is done to the car?flash/standalone/piggyback?
Well stated.
Originally Posted by mike 99gsx
Classy as always
If you are going to try to introduce concepts like "hey I advertise here, therefore I'm granted special privledges, then you are opening a serious can of worms that will further raise questions. In my industry, the A/V world, it is a well known fact that vendors who pay for advertising get VERY preferential treatment when it comes to things like positive, glowing, unwarranted reviews of products and misleading information. People usually realize, can somewhat read between the lines, and therefore have to take all of the subjective information with a grain of salt.
It would be a shame if indeed, the automotive industry is beginning to work this way. It seems to me that the OBJECTIVE, technical information that Forced Performance and Switzer have recently provided has ruffled some feathers. Some of us do appreciate real results and technical information as opposed to subjective claims and conjecture.
I will not add any additional posts to this thread because it contains great information aside from these side ramblings.
If you are going to try to introduce concepts like "hey I advertise here, therefore I'm granted special privledges, then you are opening a serious can of worms that will further raise questions. In my industry, the A/V world, it is a well known fact that vendors who pay for advertising get VERY preferential treatment when it comes to things like positive, glowing, unwarranted reviews of products and misleading information. People usually realize, can somewhat read between the lines, and therefore have to take all of the subjective information with a grain of salt.
It would be a shame if indeed, the automotive industry is beginning to work this way. It seems to me that the OBJECTIVE, technical information that Forced Performance and Switzer have recently provided has ruffled some feathers. Some of us do appreciate real results and technical information as opposed to subjective claims and conjecture.
I will not add any additional posts to this thread because it contains great information aside from these side ramblings.
If anyone finds it necessary to question my vendor status with this forum, be advised that I have registered with the EvolutionM staff to become a vendor...and did so early this week. It was not my intention to become more than a forum member and contributer of data as I didn't feel as though it was necessary to become a "vendor." However, since others have apparently felt the need to complain to the EvoM staff regarding my status, I am now forced to become a registered "vendor." Now that I must do this in order to keep those complaining from causing unnecessary grief, I will be forced to advertise and attempt to take full advantage of everything the forums have to offer my business. I hope that all of you understand clearly that I have only in the past ever tried to post to this forum when I had something useful to contribute to the community. I will do my best to keep it that way in the future.Getting back to the thread, I look forward to hearing impressions from those recieving their turbos shortly... from wherever they may have purchased them.
I am working on another camshaft test that should give Robert and I the data we need to make the most of this grind for the WR.
Thanks to all of those giving support and good feedback to the technical information in this thread.
Originally Posted by mike 99gsx
Classy as always
If you are going to try to introduce concepts like "hey I advertise here, therefore I'm granted special privledges, then you are opening a serious can of worms that will further raise questions. In my industry, the A/V world, it is a well known fact that vendors who pay for advertising get VERY preferential treatment when it comes to things like positive, glowing, unwarranted reviews of products and misleading information. People usually realize, can somewhat read between the lines, and therefore have to take all of the subjective information with a grain of salt.
It would be a shame if indeed, the automotive industry is beginning to work this way. It seems to me that the OBJECTIVE, technical information that Forced Performance and Switzer have recently provided has ruffled some feathers. Some of us do appreciate real results and technical information as opposed to subjective claims and conjecture.
I will not add any additional posts to this thread because it contains great information aside from these side ramblings.
If you are going to try to introduce concepts like "hey I advertise here, therefore I'm granted special privledges, then you are opening a serious can of worms that will further raise questions. In my industry, the A/V world, it is a well known fact that vendors who pay for advertising get VERY preferential treatment when it comes to things like positive, glowing, unwarranted reviews of products and misleading information. People usually realize, can somewhat read between the lines, and therefore have to take all of the subjective information with a grain of salt.
It would be a shame if indeed, the automotive industry is beginning to work this way. It seems to me that the OBJECTIVE, technical information that Forced Performance and Switzer have recently provided has ruffled some feathers. Some of us do appreciate real results and technical information as opposed to subjective claims and conjecture.
I will not add any additional posts to this thread because it contains great information aside from these side ramblings.
On a certain level I agree with what your saying wholeheartedly. I value open discourse, objective evaluations and the right to debunk the bullsh it. However, I don't believe what David is complaining about has anything to do with the points you've raised. Hell, if there's anyone on this board who is open about his research and activities it's David Buschur. Maybe too open in the early phases...
IMO, if you're a vendor of a product and you're on here speaking about your product and it's capabilites, you ought to be an official sponsor of this site, regardless of whether or not you're outright offering the product for sale. It's only fair to the other vendors who do pay for advertising and even more importantly it's fair for the consumers on this board. Folks should understand what your role and stake may be in a particular discussion. Full and open disclosure.
Having said all that, I have no beef with any of the vendors involved in this thread. From what I've observed they all seem to be above board and honest.
Last edited by propellerhead; Jun 24, 2005 at 02:16 PM.