Boost Solutions, what's up with this?
Originally Posted by metaphysical
Please don't contribute to a discussion if you don't know what you're talking about. Nearly all the stand-alones have the same functionality and most have similar internals. So, getting a system should be based upon the "extra" functions and the usability. AEM excels at both of these and it's much less expensive than most of the competition.
And just for references, the AEM powers the worlds fastest import - the AEM RWD Civic, which was built and tuned inhouse on an AEM.
SilverEVO8: Make a visit to Powerhouse
And just for references, the AEM powers the worlds fastest import - the AEM RWD Civic, which was built and tuned inhouse on an AEM.
SilverEVO8: Make a visit to Powerhouse
Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
No, just making a comment based on my observations over the past weeks/months.
I think what the problem is with the AEM EMS is there are no base maps or custom maps that you can use on your car.
I think what the problem is with the AEM EMS is there are no base maps or custom maps that you can use on your car.
Well, the base maps and custom maps are there allright.... The problem is that there is not map from a shelf somewhere that can be safely and assuredly loaded into any car. I know for a fact that my car does not like the maps of settings that other EVOs use happily.
The chance of a generic Xflash, Dynoflash, XEDE map, or even SAFC settings or anything along those lines working in my car when it was stock is less than .000001%. This is no speculation but hard facts proven empirically. It's easy to talk and post theoretical stuff from the comfort of one's chair or repeat what one hears or what somebody else's experience has been, but this does not necessarily apply to everybody out there......
I could have gone with the less expensive XEDE already but I knew that my car was different and that what could work great in Ryan's car would not work in mine. I knew this from the experience of Al's custom dynoflash tunes of several EVOs along with mine when he came to Atlanta. This is precisely why I followed Boost Solutions advise to go with a standalone, namely the AEM EMS...
If your car is different or having problems with reflashes and stand alones, why not have mitsu look at it? Maybe there is a bigger under lying problem with the motor? I mean there should not be that big of a difference between EVO's.
Originally Posted by Event-Horizon
If your car is different or having problems with reflashes and stand alones, why not have mitsu look at it? Maybe there is a bigger under lying problem with the motor? I mean there should not be that big of a difference between EVO's.
would even look at the engine, let alone try to help me out 
They would just love telling me that I've screwed up and I'm stricktly on my own. Hell, they don't even want to honor legitimate warranty issues.....Besides, there are other EVOs that have similar issues. It's not that uncommon although it's definitely no consolation. BTW, George knew all about these issues before starting to work on my car. Actually, every tuner I've spoken with, before and after this last round of mods has been aware of the knock prone qualities of this car....
Last edited by silverEVO8; May 14, 2004 at 10:01 AM.
Originally Posted by silverEVO8
Actually I do have an AEM UEGO controller w/display. That's how I know that my part-throttle cruising under vacuum A/Fs are in the 12-13 to 1 range 
I'm not philosophically opposed to learning the AEM, it's just that it's a lot more than I can do in the time available to me. Unlike other car enthusiasts, I have a life outside of cars
and unfortunately (or fortunately as the case might be) I'm extremely busy and I don't have the time to devote to becoming a profficient tuner (although this might not be such a bad idea 
).
Anyway, I got this whole setup under the understanding that I would not have to deal with all these time consuming and vexing issues because the "experts" would take care of all the details in exchange for my $$...... I'm a little miffed by some of the apologists of the AEM because of the suggestions that "it's not for everybody" and "it takes a lot of tinkering to get it right" or similar statements. In reality, George at Boost Solutions sold me on the AEM EMS precisely because it was absolutely and positively the best and easiest and most complete system. More importantly, I was assured that these very issues that I'm dealing with would not happen.... I never at any time was informed that this AEM EMS would have any issues or would exhibit any problems or quirks that would take any more time or effort to correct than a few minutes with the laptop. On the contrary, I was told in no uncertain terms that the AEM EMS along with the other mods they suggested would result in a car with performance better than stock in the areas of driveability, fuel consumption, etc. Plus an increase to around 400 hp & similar tq. numbers with pump gas.....
If I'm guilty of anything, is of trusting the words or the tuner and the hype in the forums and magazines. I certainly did not have any expectations higher than those promised and most ardently assured to me by Boost Solutions.
I'm not philosophically opposed to learning the AEM, it's just that it's a lot more than I can do in the time available to me. Unlike other car enthusiasts, I have a life outside of cars
and unfortunately (or fortunately as the case might be) I'm extremely busy and I don't have the time to devote to becoming a profficient tuner (although this might not be such a bad idea ).Anyway, I got this whole setup under the understanding that I would not have to deal with all these time consuming and vexing issues because the "experts" would take care of all the details in exchange for my $$...... I'm a little miffed by some of the apologists of the AEM because of the suggestions that "it's not for everybody" and "it takes a lot of tinkering to get it right" or similar statements. In reality, George at Boost Solutions sold me on the AEM EMS precisely because it was absolutely and positively the best and easiest and most complete system. More importantly, I was assured that these very issues that I'm dealing with would not happen.... I never at any time was informed that this AEM EMS would have any issues or would exhibit any problems or quirks that would take any more time or effort to correct than a few minutes with the laptop. On the contrary, I was told in no uncertain terms that the AEM EMS along with the other mods they suggested would result in a car with performance better than stock in the areas of driveability, fuel consumption, etc. Plus an increase to around 400 hp & similar tq. numbers with pump gas.....
If I'm guilty of anything, is of trusting the words or the tuner and the hype in the forums and magazines. I certainly did not have any expectations higher than those promised and most ardently assured to me by Boost Solutions.
thanks for sharing your experiences. But I really wante dto read ALL issues of teh car. And here they are:
- the car has over 20K miles, mostly driven on QT gas ( that was aknowledged by Ryan as well)
- the car ran great when you drove off here, and it was fine for a while.
- you told me that you tried to setup your wideband gauge, but it would not get adjusted. Obvoiusly, you should contact the place where you bought the gauge from, because we did not sell you that one.
- you say you have driveability problems, but that happens after you try to adjust the map fo rteh wideband gauge. Please, you should have mentioned that, because people should that this happens after the maps were messed with. Like I told you, if you choose the AEM wideband O2 sensor under the wizard, it will automatically kick in the O2 feedback. Since your map is boost comped, there is no need for O2 feedback.
- you complain that your gas mileage is 17mpg, and that you drive extremely slowly. Well, I have seen you drive on the road. you definitely enjoy the gas pedal.
Also, HOW can you expect BETTER gas mileage when you gained over 100whp? How do you gain power with less gas? 17mph for constantly punching the car at 19psi with ALL bolton mods, that is pretty good, if you ask somebody.
So, if you want to play with the maps, then please get familiar with ALL the manues and options. Like Ryan said, the standalone is a sophisticated tool. You cannot just go and kick in the O2 feedback, with the table reading 11.7 all across, and then blame it on us, when the car was running great for over a month.
Like I told you, if you do not feel confident enough about touching the software, please stop by, I will recheck all the wizards that you played with, and you will be back to normal.
About your wideband gauge not reading accurately, please contact the seller, not us.
About the gas mileage, you either get power, or gas mileage. For gas mileage, a Lancer would be great. Power- that is your Evo8.
Also, I would really appreciate you calling us and sharing all these things. I got an email from you,a nd emailed you back to call us to come in. The next thing I see is this tread...
George
Originally Posted by Wadzii
yep, i do it every day 
We never take 30 minutes and charge $400.
A lot of times I have to retune cars that are dohe by other shops, just because they rushed it, charging full price for a 30 minute tune. Also, several Evos came with the same map from the same shop, but the cars had COMPLETELY different mods.
Originally Posted by silverEVO8
After all the mods done to my car, I doubt that would even look at the engine, let alone try to help me out They would just love telling me that I've screwed up and I'm stricktly on my own. Hell, they don't even want to honor legitimate warranty issues.....
Besides, there are other EVOs that have similar issues. It's not that uncommon although it's definitely no consolation. BTW, George knew all about these issues before starting to work on my car. Actually, every tuner I've spoken with, before and after this last round of mods has been aware of the knock prone qualities of this car....
would even look at the engine, let alone try to help me out They would just love telling me that I've screwed up and I'm stricktly on my own. Hell, they don't even want to honor legitimate warranty issues.....Besides, there are other EVOs that have similar issues. It's not that uncommon although it's definitely no consolation. BTW, George knew all about these issues before starting to work on my car. Actually, every tuner I've spoken with, before and after this last round of mods has been aware of the knock prone qualities of this car....
The way your idle control valve was acting up, was mostly because of that gas.
Also, you really have to let me load the original map in there, an dnot that map that you messed with.
I wish the AEM had a password protection, so people would not mess up maps that easy.
Please call me, I will be waiting for you, so I can load the original map...
I'm willing to bet that by running that cheap gas on the SAFC, Silver detted a good bit and you should do a compression test before retuning ANYTHING.
And setting up 11.7's in the lower RPM's is just plain foolish, that thing'll never spool up!
I don't know Boost Solutions other than they shipped me some nice cam gears and a nice smelling timing belt a few weeks ago, but it sounds to me like Silver's car has some hardware and operator issues.
And setting up 11.7's in the lower RPM's is just plain foolish, that thing'll never spool up!
I don't know Boost Solutions other than they shipped me some nice cam gears and a nice smelling timing belt a few weeks ago, but it sounds to me like Silver's car has some hardware and operator issues.
Originally Posted by Boost Solutions
Hi Manuel,
thanks for sharing your experiences. But I really wante dto read ALL issues of teh car. And here they are:
- the car has over 20K miles, mostly driven on QT gas ( that was aknowledged by Ryan as well)
thanks for sharing your experiences. But I really wante dto read ALL issues of teh car. And here they are:
- the car has over 20K miles, mostly driven on QT gas ( that was aknowledged by Ryan as well)
Originally Posted by Boost Solutions
- the car ran great when you drove off here, and it was fine for a while.
Originally Posted by Boost Solutions
- you told me that you tried to setup your wideband gauge, but it would not get adjusted. Obvoiusly, you should contact the place where you bought the gauge from, because we did not sell you that one.
- you say you have driveability problems, but that happens after you try to adjust the map fo rteh wideband gauge. Please, you should have mentioned that, because people should that this happens after the maps were messed with. Like I told you, if you choose the AEM wideband O2 sensor under the wizard, it will automatically kick in the O2 feedback. Since your map is boost comped, there is no need for O2 feedback
- you say you have driveability problems, but that happens after you try to adjust the map fo rteh wideband gauge. Please, you should have mentioned that, because people should that this happens after the maps were messed with. Like I told you, if you choose the AEM wideband O2 sensor under the wizard, it will automatically kick in the O2 feedback. Since your map is boost comped, there is no need for O2 feedback
Read this carefully, last Monday, May3rd, I spoke with Andy and he walked me through setting the rpm limits down to 3500 so I could turn the car to the body shop. I did this, step by step with Andy's instructions by phone in real time. No other changes to your tuning have ever been made or attempted by me or anyone else. By the way, I wanted to buy the AEM UEGO from you. I tried like hell to get it from you but you could not get it. I got that per your recomendation as well. The only reason I bought it from another vendor was because it was needed ASAP and you could not get it. Also, you installed it and the understanding was that the installation would be done correctly. I assumed that part of the installation was the calibration and proper use of the device.
...What kind of customer service is it that you wont support one small part of the complete system that you installed and tuned because I bought the piece at the only place that had it?....
Originally Posted by Boost Solutions
- - you complain that your gas mileage is 17mpg, and that you drive extremely slowly. Well, I have seen you drive on the road. you definitely enjoy the gas pedal.
Also, HOW can you expect BETTER gas mileage when you gained over 100whp? How do you gain power with less gas? 17mph for constantly punching the car at 19psi with ALL bolton mods, that is pretty good, if you ask somebody.
Also, HOW can you expect BETTER gas mileage when you gained over 100whp? How do you gain power with less gas? 17mph for constantly punching the car at 19psi with ALL bolton mods, that is pretty good, if you ask somebody.
Originally Posted by Boost Solutions
So, if you want to play with the maps, then please get familiar with ALL the manues and options. Like Ryan said, the standalone is a sophisticated tool. You cannot just go and kick in the O2 feedback, with the table reading 11.7 all across, and then blame it on us, when the car was running great for over a month.
Like I told you, if you do not feel confident enough about touching the software, please stop by, I will recheck all the wizards that you played with, and you will be back to normal.
About your wideband gauge not reading accurately, please contact the seller, not us.
Like I told you, if you do not feel confident enough about touching the software, please stop by, I will recheck all the wizards that you played with, and you will be back to normal.
About your wideband gauge not reading accurately, please contact the seller, not us.
First of all, the car has never run without problems since you finished with it. The idle has gotten worse, but that's nothing to be happy about.... Once again George, I don't want to touch the AEM or any other part of the car. That's what I paid you to do. I never have done anything to the car other than change the rev limits once and take it to getr the oil changed (yes, the oil gets very dark very quickly and smells like raw gas all the time so I feel that I must change it very often to protect the engine from diluted lubricant).
Don't worry, I wont be asking you to do anything else about the problems I have. I'll ask Wadzii about the AEM UEGO and I'll try to get help elsewhere for all my other problems. I will have someone look and correct this oil leak that appears to come from around the oil cooler too. Please ship me the cam gear cover that you did not replace the last time so I can get that taken care of too.
Manuel Patino
1775 West Oak Parkway
Suite 900
Marietta, GA 30062
Last edited by silverEVO8; May 20, 2004 at 01:21 PM. Reason: clarity, format and spelling
Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
I'm willing to bet that by running that cheap gas on the SAFC, Silver detted a good bit and you should do a compression test before retuning ANYTHING.
And setting up 11.7's in the lower RPM's is just plain foolish, that thing'll never spool up!
I don't know Boost Solutions other than they shipped me some nice cam gears and a nice smelling timing belt a few weeks ago, but it sounds to me like Silver's car has some hardware and operator issues.
And setting up 11.7's in the lower RPM's is just plain foolish, that thing'll never spool up!
I don't know Boost Solutions other than they shipped me some nice cam gears and a nice smelling timing belt a few weeks ago, but it sounds to me like Silver's car has some hardware and operator issues.
The car has issues but they are all with the state of tune or the actual AEM EMS. The car's driveability was fine before Boost Solutions started the upgrade process. I don't see where you get the idea that the car has "operator issues".
That's preposterous, I've driven this car without any of these issues up to last February when all this started. BTW, I'm no a wet behind the ears kid. I've been around for longer than the vast majority of EVO owners and probably their parents
I know how to drive a car and I know when something is not working right. I absolutely refuse to take any blame whatsoever for the issues plagueing my car. My only responsability is that I went to Boost Solutions and trusted them with my money and my car. I definitely have no direct responsability for the state of tune or installation of any of these troublesome mods.
Last edited by silverEVO8; May 14, 2004 at 12:56 PM.
Ok, this is getting a little out of hand. Why would he need a compression test, sort of an absurd suggestion (20K miles). Just for references, the factory ECU has knock correction.
There are two sides of the story, so maybe the tune was fine, maybe it wasn't? It's impossible to tell on the forums. Ultimately, perhaps posting a complaint should be a last resort. And for those in sales/service, whenever there is a compliant about your service, don't post a rebuttal. You can either fix their problems or you can't, rebutting them just creates further instigation. So, either offer to fix them or don't, anything else is just hurting your image.
There are two sides of the story, so maybe the tune was fine, maybe it wasn't? It's impossible to tell on the forums. Ultimately, perhaps posting a complaint should be a last resort. And for those in sales/service, whenever there is a compliant about your service, don't post a rebuttal. You can either fix their problems or you can't, rebutting them just creates further instigation. So, either offer to fix them or don't, anything else is just hurting your image.
Originally Posted by silverEVO8
Where are you located? Would you care to share your calibration for comparison purposes?
Hi Manuel,
14K miles of crappy gas will do enough buildup on the throttle plate...
The UEGO controllers were on backorder, and obviously Wadzii had them. If the gauge does not supply the proper voltage to the O2 pin on the ECU, you should have told me thatso I can try toi fix the problem with AEM on teh gauge, even though you got it from Wadzii. But you did not ask me, so I was unaware...
On the driveability, I told you that I know what the issue is, just let me put the original map in there.
Let me explain, because people have to know both sides of teh story:
When you open the wizards for injetors, coils, O2 sensor, and o2 sensor feedback, and you look at it the choices, you see a green check mark at the proper value. But if you click OK, it will not confoirm that one, but the initailly underlined value, which is alway sthe value that is on teh top of teh list. It is hard to explain, but if you open the laptop, you will see what I am talking about.
I am not saying that you changed it on purpose, I am sure you did not. You changed it inadvertantly, just by looking at the values.
Oil leak on the oil cooler? Please call me and explain, I do not see anything in common between the work we did ( cams, intercooler, AEM, intake) and oil cooler leak?
Again, call me at 770-904-2644, and I will reload the original map...
George
14K miles of crappy gas will do enough buildup on the throttle plate...
The UEGO controllers were on backorder, and obviously Wadzii had them. If the gauge does not supply the proper voltage to the O2 pin on the ECU, you should have told me thatso I can try toi fix the problem with AEM on teh gauge, even though you got it from Wadzii. But you did not ask me, so I was unaware...
On the driveability, I told you that I know what the issue is, just let me put the original map in there.
Let me explain, because people have to know both sides of teh story:
When you open the wizards for injetors, coils, O2 sensor, and o2 sensor feedback, and you look at it the choices, you see a green check mark at the proper value. But if you click OK, it will not confoirm that one, but the initailly underlined value, which is alway sthe value that is on teh top of teh list. It is hard to explain, but if you open the laptop, you will see what I am talking about.
I am not saying that you changed it on purpose, I am sure you did not. You changed it inadvertantly, just by looking at the values.
Oil leak on the oil cooler? Please call me and explain, I do not see anything in common between the work we did ( cams, intercooler, AEM, intake) and oil cooler leak?
Again, call me at 770-904-2644, and I will reload the original map...
George
Originally Posted by silverEVO8
I never put another drop of QT high test gas in that car after Al dynoflashed it at 14K miles. That's not an issue at all and does not have any place in this conversation
That's not true. You thought the car ran great when I drove it off well after midnight even though you were still messing with the lap top and the software up to the last few minutes..... The issues that I had when I took the car to you were still there as I noticed over the following days. Yes, you are right on one thing. The car is worse since the weather warmed up and it now stalls 99% of the time when I let off the gas to stop or turn where right after you tuned it last time it only stalled about 60% of the time
George, please do not says things that are completely false. I've never tried to do any adjustments to the tune whatsover or tried to do anything with the AEM UEGO. I've never tried to set up anything in the car except in one occasion:
[COLOR=Red]Read this carefully, last Monday I spoke with Andy and he walked me through setting the rpm limits down to 3500 so I could turn the car to the body shop. I did this, step by step with Andy's instructions by phone in real time. No other changes to your tuning have ever been made or attempted by me or anyone else[/COLOR]
By the way, I wanted to buy the AEM UEGO from you. I tried like hell to get it from you but you could not get it. I got that per your recomendation as well. The only reason I bought it from another vendor was because it was needed ASAP and you could not get it. Also, you installed it and the understanding was that the installation would be done correctly. I assumed that part of the installation was the calibration and proper use of the devise.
What kind of customer service is it that you wont support one small part of the complete system that you installed and tuned because I bought the piece at the only place that had it?
I don't expect to get more gas mileage with a heavier foot. I do however expect that when you tell me that the AEM EMS and your tuning will result in better gas mileage and better than stock driveability. I should at least not suffer an 18% loss of fuel mileage while driving like an old lady
First of all, the car has never run without problems since you finished with it. The idle has gotten worse, but that's nothing to be happy about.... Once again George, I don't want to touch the AEM or any other part of the car. That's what I paid you to do. I never have done anything to the car other than change the rev limits once and take it to getr the oil changed (yes, the oil gets very dark very quickly and smells like raw gas all the time so I feel that I must change it very often to protect the engine from diluted lubricant).
Don't worry, I wont be asking you to do anything else about the problems I have. I'll ask Wadzii about the AEM UEGO and I'll try to get help elsewhere for all my other problems. I will have someone look and correct this oil leak that appears to come from around the oil cooler too. Please ship me the cam gear cover that you did not replace the last time so I can get that taken care of too.
Manuel Patino
1775 West Oak Parkway
Suite 900
Marietta, GA 30062
That's not true. You thought the car ran great when I drove it off well after midnight even though you were still messing with the lap top and the software up to the last few minutes..... The issues that I had when I took the car to you were still there as I noticed over the following days. Yes, you are right on one thing. The car is worse since the weather warmed up and it now stalls 99% of the time when I let off the gas to stop or turn where right after you tuned it last time it only stalled about 60% of the time
George, please do not says things that are completely false. I've never tried to do any adjustments to the tune whatsover or tried to do anything with the AEM UEGO. I've never tried to set up anything in the car except in one occasion:
[COLOR=Red]Read this carefully, last Monday I spoke with Andy and he walked me through setting the rpm limits down to 3500 so I could turn the car to the body shop. I did this, step by step with Andy's instructions by phone in real time. No other changes to your tuning have ever been made or attempted by me or anyone else[/COLOR]
By the way, I wanted to buy the AEM UEGO from you. I tried like hell to get it from you but you could not get it. I got that per your recomendation as well. The only reason I bought it from another vendor was because it was needed ASAP and you could not get it. Also, you installed it and the understanding was that the installation would be done correctly. I assumed that part of the installation was the calibration and proper use of the devise.
What kind of customer service is it that you wont support one small part of the complete system that you installed and tuned because I bought the piece at the only place that had it?
I don't expect to get more gas mileage with a heavier foot. I do however expect that when you tell me that the AEM EMS and your tuning will result in better gas mileage and better than stock driveability. I should at least not suffer an 18% loss of fuel mileage while driving like an old lady
First of all, the car has never run without problems since you finished with it. The idle has gotten worse, but that's nothing to be happy about.... Once again George, I don't want to touch the AEM or any other part of the car. That's what I paid you to do. I never have done anything to the car other than change the rev limits once and take it to getr the oil changed (yes, the oil gets very dark very quickly and smells like raw gas all the time so I feel that I must change it very often to protect the engine from diluted lubricant).
Don't worry, I wont be asking you to do anything else about the problems I have. I'll ask Wadzii about the AEM UEGO and I'll try to get help elsewhere for all my other problems. I will have someone look and correct this oil leak that appears to come from around the oil cooler too. Please ship me the cam gear cover that you did not replace the last time so I can get that taken care of too.
Manuel Patino
1775 West Oak Parkway
Suite 900
Marietta, GA 30062
Originally Posted by tru evo
Silverevo 8 you should have exhausted all your means through Boost-Solutions before posting this........You know for a fact that George would bust his *** to make his customers happy ......
You don't know whether I've exhausted all means or not. Let's not open that can of worms at this time, just please assume that I'm not here to trash anybody and I have not jumped the gun by any stretch of the imagination. If you think I've not worked with George enogh, please PM me and I'll be happy to share with you my experiences over the past 3 months.
Peace