SilverEVO8, this thread did not get out of hand. You handled yourself well and its good that the truth can finally be shown. I think it’s completely unacceptable for them to try to put the blame on you. That shows a lack of any customer service.

 

Does your car audibly give evidence of detonation when you use the same timing as other people or is the only evidence of detonation the fact that the ECU is pulling timing out? If option #2 is the case, replace your knock sensor, or even losen it and re-instale it to the proper torque spec. A faulty knock sensor (or over tightened one) is a nightmare!

Keith

 

Well, I hate that things have gotten to this point. I'm really not interested at all in any kind of finger pointing or bashing or dissin'. All I want is to get my car sorted out and I'm understandably frustrated and upset about the results of my several thousand dollar foray into this project.

I'm extremely surprised and totally p!ssed off about being blamed for the problems I'm having. I've been completely up front about all that has been done to my car, everything that's been tried and all the things that were discovered. Before starting this whole project, I discussed everything with the tuner.

The hassles with Ryan are public knowledge and everybody knew that I had used QT gasoline in my car. That was nothing new and if that was a problem, the car should have never been modified. After Al Friedman came and did his custom Dynoflash, we discovered that the car was knock prone or noisy and that was also discussed at length with the tuner.

Actually, every facet of the project was discussed. I expressed my concerns about the noisy engine, the timing pull, my concerns about retaining driveability and my expectations of power. I was also very clear in that I had no interest, desire, inclination or facilities to be a tuner or to do any fiddling, adjusting or further tuning to the car. I wanted to pick it up from his shop and drive it. I wanted no more to do than the usual maintenance which I have performed at trustworthy facilities. I don't even have a place to change my own oil.

My initial goal was to obtain around 300-350 hp with pump gas. I wanted to know if this was possible while maintaining stock-like driveability and reliability. This was based on all the things that had been tried before, the condition of the car, the previous findings, etc.

George at Boost Solutions outlined a path of mods to achieve my goals and I followed it as per his recomendations. George assured me that it was a very doable project and would be extremely successful and would far exceed all my requirements in every area discussed. Actually, during those discussions I expressed how I expected the fuel consumption to rise somewhat and George was emphatic in that the AEM would not only achieve better than stock driveability, but would actually give higher gas mileage.....

Other than a substantial increase in power, none of the other assurances I had were kept. I don't have a baseline of the actual power the car makes but it's probably in the 300-350 whp. The rest is nothing like I expected or was told to expect. Now I'm trying very hard to find solutions to my problems. It's ironic that just now when the **** is hitting the proverbial fan, suddenly the old QT gasoline, the knock prone engine, my driving habits, my mechanical ability and even my modest expectations are used to explain away the problems and assign the blame
Update... the car made 259.5 hp on the DD dyno at Dyno4mance Sat. May15

 

I have not heard the knocking myself, but I do not claim to have calibrated ears either ... All joking aside, when Al Friedman custon tuned my ECU, he saw the timing pull and also he saw evidence of knock with his Knock Link. It is possible that the source of noise is indeed some sort of mechanical thing other than detonation, but I do not know. Too bad that nobody has either the knowledge or means to rule that out....

 

I am not even going to start because it seems YOU really don't know what you are talking about. The Motec has traction control and I can tune the thing from the pits when someone is on the track. That's right tune it remotely. Get a clue, AEM is THE bottom, if it's so good why do the F1 teams not use them?

 

I relly do feel your car is fine, If you want put the stock injectors in and the stock computer and it will run fine. I did this for a little while, I would not boost hard maybe 10psi but at least that will keep the car from stalling. I would from there find a good AEM tech or person or call them and get them on a DYNO with your car and go from there. I feel that is really your only option at this point. Also you are such a nice person man and you really have a screwed up car and not even any remorse. I think he should of at LEAST done a dyno with it or something if you spend 3-4k with a shop. Anyway your stock computer will be fine you don't need the big injectors only a fuel pump. Also I think your motor is fine you would know if it was not. Put that stock computer in with the MAF and drive it and see how it does just go easy on the boost.

 

I will say George does push that damn AEM hard, funny thing is my car runs and his does not lol. Every time I did something dumb he said, "Install a AEM man" It got old and when I drove him home after his car blowing up on the dyno in my car with the xede I told him if he said anything about AEM he would be walking It just sucks that you got screwed here and I will help you find a tuner if you need. I know Ed at Balanced is good with the AEM's and has done them on several cars that are still running today. Give him a call and see if he can point you in a good place to start. Also I know Panos has a good tuner and if Ed is not of help let me know. Also be carefull of people here saying they are good tuners, **** I can say I am a pro too but you need to call some people that had the AEM tuned by the tuners, remember if they blow it up it's YOUR problem even if you have to fly someone out it maybe worth it.

 

SilverEvo8 I thought your problem with detonation was with the factory cam gears installed incorrectly and not a Gas issue and George fixed them when he installed your cam gears?Sorry to hear about all the problems. I hope you can find the best way to get your car fixed. I know how much a car guy you are like myself and I also would be beating my head against the wall if mine was not running right.

 

Well, after installing the cams, George told me that they found the cams to be off by one tooth at the crank shaft from the factory. At the first try, he said he found the car was taking all kinds of timing advance with no problems whatsoever. After I took it back the third time to try to get these idle, soot, smoke & mileage issues addressed, he decided that the problem was my RC injectors... They replaced them with HKS 680cc injectors and re-tuned it using boost compensation. At this time George told me that "the car does not like timing" anyway, my calibration has virtually no timing advance at all because of this reason. I'm actually very patient and I've gone way out of my way to work with the tuner to get these issues resolved.... I am however at the end of my rope and i'm ready to try other options. I'm hopeful that I can find solutions to these problems. After all, I have every part of the puzzle in place , I just need some help in arranging the pieces to fit together into a big picture

 

Well, it seems like George tried one last post to save this. If it were me, I would try and see if you and him couldn't get this worked out. I'm not much on the whole internet fighting thing, and I think this horse has been beat to death. So, if you're not going to go with Boost Solutions, I say you call up Horsepower House (I misquoted as powerhouse earlier). They have some impressive 4G63 powered car. But if you bought the AEM UEGO from Wadzii, call him up, maybe he can help you.

On another note, it appears everyones favorite egotistical maniac is back. Now I have no way of knowing this, (but it would be funny if I'm right) but evoindahouse is Ryanmcd. Ryan is an expert at internet jousting. What, no bragging about how you sell futures in this thread evo, and how you once owned an NSX with a motec system? Wow, I think we have all heard your story, your a legend in your own mind.

As for the Exede, its a good unit. Then again, so is the UTEC, E-Manage and S-AFC. There are a lot of options, both stand-alones and piggybacks. The AEM is a top-notch unit, as I pointed out, it powers the worlds fastest import (which happens to have an NSX motor ryan). Is it any better than the Motec, it depends who's using it. If you have money and are familiar with the Motec, I'm sure you'll use that. If you have $1450 for the EMS than you can save A LOT of money, and get a system that will do everything you need, if it's put in the right hands. None of these systems are really better than any others, maybe if we were talking about F1 cars, than we would notice the difference, but we're not. And just for references, they don't run Motec on Michael Schmachers car either And, I wasn't aware poping an intercooler pipe constituted "blowing" up your engine?

 

My friend Ryan/Dynoking/Evoindahouse/etc.

We tune ALL customers car safely to 11.5 AFR,a nd very conservative timing. If the customers want more power than a everyday safe limit, I tell them how to take fuel out and increase timing, but they are also warned that it would not be safe to make any adjustments.

Our car did blow the IC pipe at a boost level you can dream of. Not only that, but teh timing belt is stretched as well a bit. So now after we are done with the flow tests of teh intake manifolds, we will be back with a better IC pipe, and a a Tomei timing belt ( sorry, Vishnu does not make them)...

It is funny how you praise the tuners that almost blew your car up
I should not have fixed the mess back then...

 

Hi Manuel, again, call me and I will put the original file. I will also look at the gauge, even though I have been fixing too many of the cars from that shop where the gauge came from.

All I can say is that we are working really hard and we are always doing our best to have everything done perfect.


George

 

dude - how? no really, how?

 

I went to dyno4mance today to see the guys and Shiv at Limeys shop. Great job by Shiv as he got over 270 hp from Todds car.... Other cars also got serious increases from thr XEDE, Xflash and Shiv's tuning.

I got my car on the dyno for some pulls, but unfortunately Andrew did not feel that my car was safe to continue and we only got 2 pulls Anyway, Andrew was super nice about it and did not even charge me for the 2 pulls since we could no go any further. I really appreciate the time they took just to get my car set up and tested. Thanks guys

Maybe I can get help to realize the potential my car has. If it wasn't for all the mods that I've already done, I would have jumped on the XEDE with Shiv's tuning in a NY minute.... I'm hopeful that I can get in the right track and get the tuning sorted out, but if I can't, I'll remove all the mods that Shiv thinks aren't needed and get his XEDE and Xflash. I've seen with my own eyes a car with far fewer mods make 20 more hp than my car

 

I will say this George, my car put down 282WHP on the same dyno as Manual's did, so it looks like his car is NOT the fastest in Georgia like you lied, or told him it was. Also that curve SUCKS, worse then the dynoflash cars, it looks like someone dynoed a V8 mustang with the curve like that. In fact I made a good 20whp more on a REALLY low reading dyno on pump gas at 21PSI tapering to 18 at redline. I really have to say this this who deal sucks, He is such a nice person and you dicked him around pretty bad. And about your car blowing up, did I not DRIVE you back to your shop 100 miles? Guess I am not too much of a *** for doing that even though you are a ***** to me, get that thing running and let's see some HP out of it not just on 1000 RPM spike.