I already tested that on my car and at the level on injection we are using there is not enough alcohol to make any gain in the total power output when usuing 118 octane leaded race fuel. I will be shortly running two of these kits at once to see if that allows me to run more power. Basically, I am making 667 whp so I need a whole lot of alcohol.

On pump gas though - the kit allowed me to make almost as much power on pump gas as I do on race gas - 622.

Therefore - the value of the kit is mostly to get you race gas performance on pump gas.

 

The new revised kits are out and all the new kits will be of the 2nd gen

The changes are

1 - Can run water - mix or alcohol

2 - Pump draws less amps so the controller does not have external heat sinks

3 - Pump is braced to the tank in two spots to make unit stronger

4 - Revised pressure testing switch is built into pump instead of gauge (no effect)

 

Its a progressive controller - so the end user can effect the amount of flow rate and the life span of the supply by varying the way in which the controller is set and the tune.

For example - on a car running 23 psi of boost . . . .

For max alcohol use you set the controller to start spraying at 5 psi and reach full spray at 10 psi - it would be dumping alcohol like crazy

for MIN consumption - you set it to start spraying at 20 psi and reach full spray at 26 psi. This way the pump never starts spraying till you need it and it sprays very little. This way you will convesrve the alcohol.

Of course with either extreme you would adjust the tune accordingly.

My point isb the consumption rate varys on how you set it up.

The nozzel flow rate is only achived if you set the unit to flow max level at your achived boost point.

 

AL you are making me drool.....

 

Does Bushur have this new kit, or is this your product that you are pushing. The kit that was recently installed on my car is the old one ( I asked Dan and he said I guess it's the old one) and I'd like to update it sometime in the near future.

 

Three pages in one day! Seems like I might be better off sticking with race gas for now. I do actually race the car, so pulling in is not a viable option. Now, what I think might be the answer here is to use the Alcohol on the street, and the race gas when racing. Then you could have the tune for race gas all the time and be safe. The 1 gallon would last a long time on the street.

 

I have the alcohol injection on my car installed yesterday, night day difference I'm running 91 and I can use my race gas map boosting 24 - 25 psi without any traces of knock. 360whp stock turbo stage 4 parts 12:1 A/F Ratio

The good thing about the alcohol injection is you can conserve it on daily road driving, unlike if your using race gas, your using it everytime you step on the accelerator. I have mine set to spray at 6psi to 25psi of boost, so if I drive under 6psi it won't spray and I can conserve it, unlike race gas when I have 5 gallons on it on my fuel tank and when someone tells me to go 20 miles just to buy food, I said hell no.... For $6.00 per gallon on race gas, I will just use my truck to buy the food.

I also have two maps stored on my UTEC one for 91 and one for 103 Race Gas, I just switch back to my 91 map 320whp stage 4 parts 10:2 A/F Ratio if I run out of alcohol no problem.

 

too bad its not possiably to run 2 different maps on a stock ecu. something I might want to consider is buying another ecu so it can be tuned for daily driving and have another one with a very agressive race map that can be used with race gas or a alcohol kit.

Any ideas with this one AL? I've spoken to many people and this is one of the problems they wish they could get around. Is it possiable to sell an adapter so you can have a few maps on your laptop and uplaod them as needed? This would be an awesome option.

Have AL tune 2 maps and give you one on disk, then he can sell the wires to transfer the map over, so You can have 2 or 3 maps that you can swap between. Just an idea.

 

I brought something up similar to how hondata works. All the fuel and timing cal is store in the EEPROM so the chip was replace with a socket and all that is require to run different maps is to use different chip. It beats swapping out ECUs

 

That makes a lot of sense and then you can simply unplug the alcohol when you get to the track

 

Al two questions

In this system are the lines always pressurized ready to spray?

and

Do you have the updated version in stock?

 

It comes on when you hit the target boost point

I have 5 of the new kind arriving tomorrow

 

Any price difference with the new kit? Is there a MAP sensor included in the kit. If not how does the kit reference Boost? Thanks

 

The new kits are the same $499 shipped

The control unit gets a boost reference - pictures of install in a sticky thread above

The microprocessor inside the control unit sets the pump voltage depending on the boost and the settings on the two knobs

staring point and max point

A very simple system - but very easy to use and very effective and consistant results

 

AL any comment on having 2 maps on a stock ecu?